Best Fighting Hawk on the planet?

BePrepared said:
That thing is STUNNINGLY beautiful, but i do wonder about it's durability compared to something with G10 scales. Any thoughts?

The design is wonderful
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It is a winkler I have no worries. If you are worried contact Edwood7
 
"Best" is a subjective adjective, but I think topping the list is a Winkler, followed closely by RMJ. That said, I think the skills of the person with hawk in hand are far more important than the quality of the hawk. A more skilled person will use a lesser hawk far better than vice versa. Same thing with firearms ... a 1911 by Ed Brown, STI, etc. may be deemed to be the "best" fighting .45 in a magazine article, but isn't worth much beyond the purchase price in the hands of a novice shooter.
 
Never been in a fight with a hawk, or a gun. But, my Winkler Sayoc feels great in hand, swings with speed and control, plus it doesn't run out of bullets!;) It has awesome momentum without pulling you off balance. Mine has only cut through a thawed out turkey, right through the breast, ribs and all, with only minimal effort from my elbow. A full power swing would be devistating to a person.

The Sayoc would make the better choice for fighting over all the other hawks I've held or own, as a back up to guns of course. Sure there are longer hawks, but are those very practical for carry? If it's a back up, last resort, to a rifle and a handgun it's got to be compact but fierce.
 
I have no need for my 7 foot pole axe. I have no need for my battle axe. No real need for any of my tomahawks. My large knives are not strictly necessary.

I have never "needed" most of my military style firearms. Never had to use any of my guns to actually shoot anyone.

I don't need a fast car, or motorcycle, or hot woman.



You are on a forum that is dedicated to all things sharp.



Some one wants a tactical hawk, let them talk about tactical hawks.


If they want to talk about swords. Modern, antique, tactical, who cares.


Always some knuckle head to pipe up and say "you can't own that because it is stupid, and my [ENTER PREFERRED FIREARM HERE] Is so much better, and it goes bang bang bang...................(usually read in my head in the voice that is not very flattering).

I have been throwing knives and hawks for decades. Not much use to it. But I enjoy it, and occasionally have opportunity to show the skill.

People have been killing other people with axes since before recorded history.

The advent of gunpowder, and Glocks has not stopped that. Some time ago, there was a drug dispute in my neighborhood. Both sides had guns. One group went "mid-evil" on the other. Kicked the door down when they were sleeping. Took axes to all three and killed them in their beds. They could have used guns, but it would not have been as scary, or messy, or quiet!

Neighbor found them when he noticed the front door kicked in the next day. They were not any less dead for having been hacked with axes than they would have been even if the other druggies had KRISS guns with silencers and hollow points.




Just the other day, I watched a military program. In one offensive, same day, two different Marines had to resort to edged weapons to kill a bad guy.

First instance, it was a roll around on the ground biting, punching, head smashing with a trauma plate, and poking an eye out with a thumb. Fight lasted for quite a while, and the Marine finally remembered he had a knife strapped to him. That ended it fast.
He had the "drop" on the bad guy he could not shoot because they were in a room packed with enough explosives and propane cans stacked up. It was a room designed to kill everyone in the building.

Same day, good guy and bad guy were wrestling, trying to kill each other with bare hands, and the 2nd Marine had to use his bayonet to end it. His gun was loaded, but he could not shoot at two guys wrestling when one was not the bad guy.




Police training teaches if some one has a knife and ill intent, and they are within 21 feet of you and your gun is not already out and pointed at them, you are in trouble.

I have seen actual video's of a dude in Mexico whip out a big knife and kill a few officers. There were a large number of men with AK's and he managed to kill and injure several before anyone could shoot him dead. Those guns were already in their hands! They stumbled and ran and a few died before one got distance enough to get a shot off.



One of our own members here is pretty hard core. Firefights with Mexican Cartel members. He has used a knife and a tactical hawk in out right fights.

He smacked a bad guy in a bullet proof vest with a Winkler hawk. Apparently, it did enough damage through the bullet proof vest, that the bad guy stopped trying to take the shotgun from his fellow officer.

One of his gear pics.
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from this thread.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ltimate-tactical-Hawk/page7?highlight=Winkler




Found the pic!

Edwood7 said:
Here is the pic.

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Edwood7 has actual video of him in real firefights with cartel members. Even with full auto guns, and grenades, and bad guy being equipped with the best guns, he still carries and uses a fixed blade, and combat axe.


My point is, if some one is moving toward you with ill intent, with an axe, knife, sword, machete, screw driver or shank, and you don't get a head or spine shot, they might just ruin your day. They may die, but you might too.

I have seen video (training, and otherwise) of real people, being shot by real guns, and still walking around, fighting, etc for a long time after being shot.












As to the OP, I am thinking about buying a rattlehawk, maybe selling one of my Busse to fund it.
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BigFatty, if i haven't already said this at some point, allow me to say it now. I like you... you're okay by me brother
 
I like sharp things and guns.

Axes, swords, knives, machetes, hell, I even like impact weapons. I have a heavy viking shield, matching double bladed axe, and sword. I have a 7 foot Pole Axe that I used to have mounted on a pick handle for throwing.


I think they switched the proto type thickness on the Rattlehawk to a thinner .25
 
I just want to say anything at anytime can be a weapon. Yes I carry a gun but I if I ever had to go house to house I would have a hawk on me. Also if you like guns freedom and sharp pointy things than you are ok with me
 
I like my RMJ S13 cause it's compact enough to carry so if the SHTF it's there. Generally carried for emergency breaches(work) and as a hiking companion(home) Here's my Hawk war story from yesterday.
Was driving a "Company" pick-up truck to a training site. Go bag was in the floorboard. Driving in a semi-war zone area(crappy apartments nearby). Noticed the passenger door was unlocked (manual locks). Picked up sheathed hawk and reached over and locked door with hawk head.
Whew coulda been ugly.
Those Winkler Hawks with the forward Spike seem pretty mean also. . .
 
This one and it's fun.
[video=youtube;CiROhdU03G8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiROhdU03G8[/video]
 
Personally I prefer a short hawk......14 inches seems about right for me. I believe if your looking for a combat orientated hawk, size will be key. Even though their are some who will disagree with a spike over a hammer poll, I'm convinced a spike on a combat hawk is the way to go. A sharpened beard is important as well but don't over look the beards design. A classic tomahawk beard, similar to a Shrike, for combat is a bad idea in my opinion. In my experience, a beard that has those classic lines is much more prone to hang up in your targets material. Don't get me wrong, the Shrike is fantastic but it's design is more utilitarian, not combat. A straight beard or one that slightly flairs upward is ideal. It still allows you to hook and control, yet release at your discretion and not get hung up. I would stick with modern materials for your handle and not wood. Again, not that wood is bad, but for a combat type situation a one piece design hawk or a proven composite handle is going to be piece of mind. Weight is a huge factor as well as the where the weight is at. A lighter hawk with the weight in the head would be perfect. Something around 20 ounces seems about right for most.
 
If we start by being honest with ourselves about why we want something then we're more likely to end up with the thing we really want.

Everyone here has stated that they never really expect to use their hawk in combat. But beyond that no one here or anywhere else can really say what the 'best fighting hawk' is. There isn't enough fighting done with hawks for anyone to know that. And the skill of the wielder is likely a much larger factor than whatever difference there is between hawk A and hawk B. All the opinions expressed here amount to essentially "I have this hawk and I like it so it must be the best". And there no reason we should expect more than that.

There are members here that can tell you which makers use the best steel and which have the best reputation for getting their heat treat right. They can report on the toughness of various hawks and on how comfortable they are to wield. These elements make up the 'mystique' of a tomahawk. But more importantly people choose a hawk based on its appearance. Does it look like what you think a fighting hawk should look like? In the end that's what going to matter the most to you.

Buy the one that looks cool to you because in the end that is what will make you happy.
 
Square_peg said:
If we start by being honest with ourselves about why we want something then we're more likely to end up with the thing we really want.

Everyone here has stated that they never really expect to use their hawk in combat. But beyond that no one here or anywhere else can really say what the 'best fighting hawk' is. There isn't enough fighting done with hawks for anyone to know that. And the skill of the wielder is likely a much larger factor than whatever difference there is between hawk A and hawk B. All the opinions expressed here amount to essentially "I have this hawk and I like it so it must be the best". And there no reason we should expect more than that.

There are members here that can tell you which makers use the best steel and which have the best reputation for getting their heat treat right. They can report on the toughness of various hawks and on how comfortable they are to wield. These elements make up the 'mystique' of a tomahawk. But more importantly people choose a hawk based on its appearance. Does it look like what you think a fighting hawk should look like? In the end that's what going to matter the most to you.

Buy the one that looks cool to you because in the end that is what will make you happy.
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Agreed. Sometimes you just want what you want. Take myself for example. I have almost no pratical use for a hawk or axe. I still want one however. Why? I have no clue. I just do. Any purchase I make will probably be a huge waste of money, but it's an itch I'll have to scratch at some point.
 
Square_peg said:
Everyone here has stated that they never really expect to use their hawk in combat.
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No they didnt .. but you keep using 'we' while you're talking out your 4th point of contact. smh.
 
I don't ever expect to use my pistol either but that don't mean it isn't locked and loaded everywhere I can carry it
 
Square_peg said:
If we start by being honest with ourselves about why we want something then we're more likely to end up with the thing we really want.

Everyone here has stated that they never really expect to use their hawk in combat. But beyond that no one here or anywhere else can really say what the 'best fighting hawk' is. There isn't enough fighting done with hawks for anyone to know that. And the skill of the wielder is likely a much larger factor than whatever difference there is between hawk A and hawk B. All the opinions expressed here amount to essentially "I have this hawk and I like it so it must be the best". And there no reason we should expect more than that.

There are members here that can tell you which makers use the best steel and which have the best reputation for getting their heat treat right. They can report on the toughness of various hawks and on how comfortable they are to wield. These elements make up the 'mystique' of a tomahawk. But more importantly people choose a hawk based on its appearance. Does it look like what you think a fighting hawk should look like? In the end that's what going to matter the most to you.

Buy the one that looks cool to you because in the end that is what will make you happy.
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This is not true at all, many of us who on this forum actually do train with tomahawks. I have either trained in myself or know many guys who study Filipino Martial arts that we use hawks quite a bit. Is it the most practical weapon no! But neither are the 8-10 in knives we train with either. So yes just because you haven't used it in a real world combat does not mean you do not know what is affective and what is not. Yes I do agree many buy things for the looks and cool factor, but don't assume because you may not know about a topic that others do not. By your logic the same could be said about what gun you should carry and yet since most likely 98% of the population has never used one on a two way range, it doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. Come to think of it didn't you suggest a 9mm or 40 cal? Please tell us about all the real world experience you have on seeing first hand what you could do with it. Just my opinion but hey I must be a mall ninja so who cares
 
Scottman said:
Wouldn't a Vec Hawk be good in this role?
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Without a doubt to me this is the best design. Many of the modern full tang breachers are unbalanced and heavy for a fighting weapon if you are up against another equally armed opponent. Vec put a lot of work into the design. The others that I would be interested in but havn't owned would be from Laci Szabo.

I recently got a rattlehawk and eventhough it is lightweight it has funky weight distribution to me.
 
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