Best Fit and Finish U.S. *Manufactured* Traditional Folders

As far as full scale production, Great Eastern Cutlery has the best f&f, hands down.

I was going to say Case. I am consistently pleased with my purchases over the years.
As far as GEC are they really "full scale production " I mean every time I see one I want to buy they are sold out, out of stock, out of luck . . . "what you wanted to actually buy something we made ? Too bad, we don't make those any more".
Goofy if you asks me. ADHD is another term that comes to mind.
I read too often that their blade pull spring rate is too high. I just never experience that with a Case (never too weak a pull either). They do a good job for me.

Nah . . . give me a Case
PS: it isn't that I wouldn't buy a knife at three times the price of say my Case Trapper in Genuine Stag . . . if it were better and AVAILABLE ! ! ! :mad: :eek: :mad: :eek:
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Case has many things to recommend about their knives, but fit and finish are not among them, at least on the recent examples I have purchased. I am at the point where I will not buy a Case sight unseen.

Likewise, don't even get me started about Queen. I have a S&M (I mistakenly thought that S&M was a premium line) Half Whittler that can only be described as an amateurish abomination. Also won't buy a Queen sight unseen.

So, GEC by a long shot.
 
Great Eastern Cutlery is the current best, IMO. Considering all the old fashioned handwork they do, and with a real lack of an apprenticeship program in the industry, they work miracles.
The owner is a dedicated and experienced knife guy, and spends half his time training people!
His employees love him!!
For those complaining about not being able to get the GEC knife they want, consider they are making as many a they can, while keeping the quality high! I'd hate to see them grow into some kind of mega-producer; we'd all be sorely disappointed!!
When I want a particular knife from them that is not in current production, I do my homework until I find one!!
 
I was going to say Case. I am consistently pleased with my purchases over the years.
As far as GEC are they really "full scale production " I mean every time I see one I want to buy they are sold out, out of stock, out of luck . . . "what you wanted to actually buy something we made ? Too bad, we don't make those any more".
Goofy if you asks me. ADHD is another term that comes to mind.
I read too often that their blade pull spring rate is too high. I just never experience that with a Case (never too weak a pull either). They do a good job for me.

Nah . . . give me a Case
PS: it isn't that I wouldn't buy a knife at three times the price of say my Case Trapper in Genuine Stag . . . if it were better and AVAILABLE ! ! ! :mad: :eek: :mad: :eek:
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Great Eastern Cutlery is a very small operation when compared to Case, in order for them to make more then enough knives for knives to sit on the shelves it would take most of their production time. Their range of patterns is continually growing so previous run patterns tend to sit until they get back to them.

The way they manufacture knives is another obstacle, Case has the ability to mass produce knives and GEC doesn’t. If you’ve seen the factory tour of GEC online then you can see how much it truly takes to build one of their knives compared to the amount of automation that Case utilizes. This changes the price point significantly and my opinion the build quality as well.
 
I have two Case XX Barlows that are over 50 years old, and they are STILL almost as nice fit n finish wise, AND still have a walk & talk as good as, or better than my nicest GECs or Queens. I'm an old fart & that's what I call quality.
 
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I like G.E.C. for the fit and finish as well as their blade proportions to the style
of the knife and the materials used, particularly for the handles.
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I would go with GEC. Their consistency and quality are very high and they work in some extra touches that show they are paying attention to detail. The downside is that there seems to be a herd mentality that says GEC is the only brand worth buying (I disagree) and they often resell for more than the new price.
 
I would go with GEC. Their consistency and quality are very high and they work in some extra touches that show they are paying attention to detail. The downside is that there seems to be a herd mentality that says GEC is the only brand worth buying (I disagree) and they often resell for more than the new price.
Well put. They are of very high quality, but are also currently more of a collector's commodity (restricting their availability as well as driving up their price as users).
 
I would go with GEC. Their consistency and quality are very high and they work in some extra touches that show they are paying attention to detail. The downside is that there seems to be a herd mentality that says GEC is the only brand worth buying (I disagree) and they often resell for more than the new price.

That's called very cleaver marketing. Harley_Davidson did the same thing in the 1990's by keeping production numbers low enough that there was not enough product to go around. That meant you could get a product, and flip it on the secondary market and make a profit. Add in lots o hype and you have a win-win for the company and fan boys.

The whole thing about "taking the time to do it right" is a bunch of bull hockey. If you have the machinery and the people who know how to use it, you cold do like Victorinox and turn out thousands of parts with almost no variation in tolerances, resulting in an extremely consistant fit and finish.

Apparently GEC is not the paragon of perfection, as I see posts complaining of fit and finish problems of the product. Of course overly picky collector grade fans will find problems that a user won't care about.

For the huge numbers they ship out the door, Case make a hell of a knife. If you do find one with a problem, they will make it right. And they don't make small runs to keep the prices and demand up. If you're a collector, get a GEC, but if you just want a good pocket knife to use every day, get a Case.
 
That's called very cleaver marketing. Harley_Davidson did the same thing in the 1990's by keeping production numbers low enough that there was not enough product to go around. That meant you could get a product, and flip it on the secondary market and make a profit. Add in lots o hype and you have a win-win for the company and fan boys.

The whole thing about "taking the time to do it right" is a bunch of bull hockey. If you have the machinery and the people who know how to use it, you cold do like Victorinox and turn out thousands of parts with almost no variation in tolerances, resulting in an extremely consistant fit and finish.

Apparently GEC is not the paragon of perfection, as I see posts complaining of fit and finish problems of the product. Of course overly picky collector grade fans will find problems that a user won't care about.

For the huge numbers they ship out the door, Case make a hell of a knife. If you do find one with a problem, they will make it right. And they don't make small runs to keep the prices and demand up. If you're a collector, get a GEC, but if you just want a good pocket knife to use every day, get a Case.

I would love to see Victorinox make a traditional knife using natural handle materials instead of cheap plastic scales that don’t have the same risks that you find in bone and stag. The amount of time it takes to build the standard Swiss Army knife vs. that of GEC is drastic and to be completely honest they aren’t competing with the same knife crowd.

Price point tends to dictate the amount of scrutiny a pocket knife gets here in a knowledgeable knife community, but to the standard knife user they aren’t going to nit-pick a cheaper knife they picked up at Walmart like they will with an $80 to $120 Great Eastern.

I see a large amount of GECs being used and carried here on the forum and for the amount of knives that are getting carried there are very few complaints compared to that of other companies.


This will give you a good idea of the automation that gives Case the edge on mass production over GEC, on top of the fact that Case employees nearly ten times what Great Eastern can, or would.

I find it hard to believe that GEC tries to make more money by not mass producing knives like Case and Victorinox just to cause a scarcity to drive the market. GECs 30 some employees would be working around the clock to turn out Case numbers.

Great Eastern Cutlery got a following because of the quality, it separated them from the current Case, Queen and Buck knives being produced, it hardly has to do with the lack of production numbers.
 
However, I've never had a knife from GEC that has had any serious F&F issues, certainly some have disappointed as I didn't care for the pattern or execution, but I've never had one that I thought I have to return.

This puts my thoughts into words better than I could have. :thumbsup:

Most of the traditionals I've owned have been GEC, Case, or Queen knives, and I've never returned (or wished I'd returned) a GEC. I've enjoyed knives from all three companies, but have returned Case and Queen knives for quality issues. With Case, I chalked that up to volume, and was always able to find a replacement knife that was excellent in all respects; with Queen, I just stopped buying Queen knives.
 
Great Eastern Cuttlery (GEC) and their brands Tideoute, Northfield, and GEC. They also do short factory runs for other companies and special orders like TC barlows (Tom's Choice) etc.

I have a set of Scharade Fire and Ice trappers 73 and 23 from them that are excellent.

I've had terrible experiences with Queen and S&M (but I've only bought their collaboration pieces with limited production Burke and Perdue collaborations, and their File and Wire series which are supposed to be the higher end too). Based on those purchases, I don't buy sight unseen unless it is from a seller I trust to take good photos or give me an accurate description. Gaps big enough to see daylight through, poor grinds and poor walk and talk compared to GEC priced the same or less (when I bought those models). I had to do major work with vice, hammer and grinder to make them usable for me. Full reprofile on the Queen D2 blades, not just edge work. The Queen/Perdue had uneven blade spring strength between the three springs, tons of metal shavings through out, that took considerable time and an air compressor to sort out. Wobble in the blades, and what I consider to be near lazy snap on one of the main blades, which is something I can't really fix.

The Burke/Queen grandad Barlow had gaps between bolster/liner/scales, super thick primary grinds, and blade wobble.

The Schatt and Morgan File and Wire had worse gaps in scale and liner/bolster than any traditional I've ever received. I was able to cinch it up a bit with a vice and hammer, but, that made it a bit crooked. Also blade wobble was able to be tightened. The blade grind was decent, and thin enough, so that was nice.

All that said, I have kept and use those knives (though I deeply regret not spending that money on a few other GEC patterns like a couple of big Whalers...... which were readily available and I had in my cart multiple times.... They were cheap at tha time, and I could have bought multiples.........)

I've only owned a few current manufacture Case. They are not at the level of fit and finish of any of my GEC made knives. But I've also not had a bad one, in my very limited examples.

But, they are less expensive. I'd still purchase the GEC in most instances. Unless I can handle the actual Case, or see detailed photos and good descriptions from a trusted member or dealer of the actual knife.

The T.Bose/Case connotations are very nice. Their quality is a very high level, and a good example will be at or above the quality of the best GEC. But, they are significantly more expensive. At prices approaching or exceeding some pretty decent custom makers that are turning out higher volume customs. I have never brought my self to actujslky purchase one, because of multiple reasons. Money on other knives, scaling back, different Production knives being purchased, and frankly, limited funds to justify it. I have sold off my only custom, an absolutely flawless, perfect, one of a kind J. Oesser XL Gunstock made just for me. That is one sale I will always regret, but adulting (ie closing on a house, and financial cooncerns right at Christmas made me nervous, and I knew it would sell immediately.... while other knives I had worth as much would have taken longer, in my experience).


GEC are not all perfect either. You may get one that has an issue. But they are not customs.

I have, however, gotten immense pleasure our of all of the ones I own. I especially enjoy when friends and family handle them, and tell me "they sure don't make knives like this any more" im always happy to tell them. " yes they do"

Availability is an issue, and you have to be on top of releases to get what you want. Secondary prices from greedy flippers probably hurts the brand more than anything right now. It is both a curse and blessing. It means that the manufacturer and dealers sell out quickly(which is beneficial to keepimg the manufacturer in business, able to pay employees, and keep quality high), but often not to people who actually want the knives. It is often flippers who hoard and relist immediately at huge markups.
 
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I see a large amount of GECs being used and carried here on the forum and for the amount of knives that are getting carried there are very few complaints compared to that of other companies.

No doubt they are good knives but there have been issues. Sometimes the issues are with things as large as mechanisms (play on lockbacks) or entire runs (weak secondary blades on 2017 Churchill and 2017 Calf Roper or tight spring on the forum Harness Jack).

Often you don't hear about the issues here. When Charlie inquired about a knife that I was selling, he told me that the run had issues with weak secondary blades. I checked the knife over (never used it) and it did have lighter pull on the secondary blades. He didn't buy the knife because GEC didn't make it up to his standard. Still a good knife but the mechanics wasn't as good as on the first run. I didn't see much talk about the issue here on the forum and was surprised. After digging, I found a couple of posts about light pull but not much discussion.

Charlie wrote a very thoughtful reply to this topic. Although I think the Case Bose knives have better construction, I agree with the rest of what he says. And I admire what they're doing at GEC. I think my post on the first page of this topic shows my appreciation for the very skilled labor hand crafting their knives.

I hate these "best" topics as much as the Case beat down topics. It's just another way of putting one brand up and the others down. No brand is perfect. But we are fortunate to still have a handful of companies manufacturing knives for our very small niche in the knife industry.

Not many companies still manufacturing in the USA. And I suspect that there will be fewer in coming years. If we don't appreciate them now, they won't be around later.

I recently heard Buck is dropping some of the 300 series knives. I think they are keeping my favorite from the series, the 301, but I am sad to see the others dropped.
 
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No doubt they are good knives but there have been issues. Sometimes the issues are with things as large as mechanisms (play on lockbacks) or entire runs (weak secondary blades on 2017 Churchill and 2017 Calf Roper or tight spring on the forum Harness Jack).

Often you don't hear about the issues here. When Charlie inquired about a knife that I was selling, he told me that the run had issues with weak secondary blades. I checked the knife over (never used it) and it did have lighter pull on the secondary blades. He didn't buy the knife because GEC didn't make it up to his standard. Still a good knife but the mechanics wasn't as good as on the first run. I didn't see much talk about the issue here on the forum and was surprised. After digging, I found a couple of posts about light pull but not much discussion.

Charlie wrote a very thoughtful reply to this topic. Although I think the Case Bose knives have better construction, I agree with the rest of what he says. And I admire what they're doing at GEC. I think my post on the first page of this topic shows my appreciation for the very skilled labor hand crafting their knives.

I hate these "best" topics as much as the Case beat down topics. It's just another way of putting one brand up and the others down. No brand is perfect. But we are fortunate to still have a handful of companies manufacturing knives for our very small niche in the knife industry.

Not many companies still manufacturing in the USA. And I suspect that there will be fewer in coming years. If we don't appreciate them now, they won't be around later.

I recently heard Buck is dropping some of the 300 series knives. I think they are keeping my favorite from the series, the 301, but I am sad to see the others dropped.

I’m not saying that GEC is above criticism, they are man made and no one is perfect. I’ve owned custom knives that could be critiqued as well. I was right there with everyone else questioning the lock design, but to consider GEC a collector company and Case a user company I can’t help but laugh. Case has a “vault” to hide patterns and drive scarcity while GEC just has a small factory.

There has definitely been a change in the spring tension on their knives, but the complaints of weak springs is minuscule when compared to the complaints of too heavy springs. Having talked personally with Mr. Howard about this issue it’s obvious that it’s something he cares about. Often times they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Truth be told just about any knife maker out there now makes a knife that will last you a lifetime if treated correctly.
 
While GEC are the current kings, Queen and S&M knives from 12-25 years ago are of similar high build quality, and some even have the additional benefit of upgraded steel (ATS-34 and D2). Don't be afraid to sample some from the usual secondary markets.

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I see a large amount of GECs being used and carried here on the forum and for the amount of knives that are getting carried there are very few complaints compared to that of other companies.

I’m not saying that GEC is above criticism, they are man made and no one is perfect...I was right there with everyone else questioning the lock design...

I just meant that sometimes there's not a lot of discussion about the problems even when there are problems. I actually agree with everything else you wrote in the prior post. It was a thoughtful reply. But I think the lack of criticism on this forum can be misleading.

I’ve owned custom knives that could be critiqued as well.

To me, a custom knife is someone's art. It doesn't make it better or worse than store bought. It is just entirely hand made by one person. Like your wife's cooking, it's probably best not to compare to store bought. Haha! There are some very skilled custom makers and some that are just learning. Some don't get the attention they deserve.

but to consider GEC a collector company and Case a user company I can’t help but laugh. Case has a “vault” to hide patterns and drive scarcity while GEC just has a small factory.

I wouldn't categorize the two companies as user or collector companies but I agree with the rest.

There has definitely been a change in the spring tension on their knives, but the complaints of weak springs is minuscule when compared to the complaints of too heavy springs. Having talked personally with Mr. Howard about this issue it’s obvious that it’s something he cares about. Often times they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

I admire that about Mr. Howard

Truth be told just about any knife maker out there now makes a knife that will last you a lifetime if treated correctly.

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GEC makes a fine knife. I've been very impressed with the few I have owned. That being said, I'm into the Case Bose collaborations for one main reason: GEC simply does not use enough stainless steel. I don't like stains or worrying about rust. If GEC would make the 92 Eureka Jack in 440c, I would be all over it because I don't want to spend $400+ on the Case Bose Eureka Jack. Just my honest opinion.
 
Sound points ibute, GEC's aversion to stainless is really annoying and pointless. Actually not seen ANY CASE/Bose collab Eurekas yet from anybody. Have they actually released them yet?

That said, GEC maintains a consistency that's a standard others should aspire to. If they can, their future would be rosy.

Regards, Will
 
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