Best fixed blade

probably what i always carry... a sog seal and a leatherman supertool... but if it could be only one... i'd have to go with the seal.

it takes everything i've dished out at it so far.




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Sgtmike88:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Busse makes a good knife, but I have a difficult time parting with over $100.00 for a knife thats going to get beat up.</font>

You pay that much so you get a knife that will not get beat up :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/bm_bone_nails.jpg

Note, the nails were only cut about 1/2 way through with the blade (because it just drove them into the wood and they wrapped around it). I broke them apart by hand.

The edge was indented slightly after this cutting, it handled the bone easily but the nails did roll it (most likely the fact that they violently wrapped around it). The damage is not even significant enough to make it visible in the picture.

-Cliff
 
So, Cliff, you're basically saying the Busse BM kicks a$$ and comes back asking for more, eh? Have you done any of this sort of testing with the Basic series? Also, how much of this toughness with the bone and nails would you attribute simply to the asymmetric edge bevel of the Busse?

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rockspyder:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Have you done any of this sort of testing with the Basic series?</font>

Yes, as well, my brother currently carries it and he uses it harder than I did. It used to look like this for awhile when I had it :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/basic_7_mod.jpg

last time I seen it :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/basic_sink.jpg

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">how much of this toughness with the bone and nails would you attribute simply to the asymmetric edge bevel of the Busse?</font>

None. I ground that off shortly after I got the blade.

-Cliff
 
My choice (thinking a bit like GREENJACKET) would be a Victorinox folder (with a sawblade). It takes care of all the cutting needs in a civilian survival situation.

Just my humble opinion.

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I have been carrying a CS SRK so far, but I might switch over to the CS Recon Scout. I like the ease of sharpening of these.

I would like to try the Busse, but am a little afraid of the flat and concave sides for sharpening. They look like great knives.

As for the weight, I had that question asked of me on the peak of Mt. Elbert here in Colorado. I told the smelly earth-muffin, "That's what working out is for!" Seriously, I would much rather be a little more tired than caught in a blizzard/rainstorm without it! So I take more rest stops, more time to take pictures!

I think that trying to save every single ounce of weight is dumb. This remark is not aimed at any of the other replies, just my own philosophy.
 
Hoodoo,

Ray Mears is not a knife nut; he saw my CR and "hmmm, ok, so, yea". His idea is: 'if you happen to have a knife on you then thats a bonus, whatever it is; if not you can make one.' For his research, (I'll call it research because Ray is not one to get himself into a real survival situation: not his idea of fun at all), he likes a flat ground blade as its good for chisel cutting, tough, and easier to sharpen on a stone/rock. If his knife is good enough to last a couple of years real work then that plenty good enough to last another two. Chopping up logs with a small knife uses up too much energy. Full tang so if the handle material fails then he can make a new one. He also likes it carried around the neck where he can replace it during tasks; he is not one for putting it on the ground.

Alan Wood is one of the few knife makers in the UK. He has been at it for a good few years now and knows his stuff, $150 upwards for a useful knife that will work for its keep. He can even do some fancy stuff. He likes his job.

Ray uses Gransfors Bruks axes.

If you can catch one of Ray's programmes then they are a good watch.

SAK's are good but not as your main survival blade once well off the beaten track. The CS SRK and similar quality, makes and styles are fine. We are talking backpacking and not an expedition?

One last thing. I'd be the first to recommend a $$$$$$ knife. I fancy a big Busse, though haven't a job for it yet. When I was younger I went places where I could have really used one. BUT, I didn't have the money to travel and have a $$$$$ knife. Now I'm older I have too many responsibilities/burdens to go traveling but can aford a $$$$$$ knife. Those contemporaries still not tied down and doing it still, still don't have two cents to put together, but they do make me green as hell.

A $$$$$$$$ knife is not worth one great adventure. Have a $$ and go for it.

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Wow Cliff. Did your brother cut the drain out of that sink with a Basic 7?
 
One other thing to consider:

There have been posts from folks who love their 1095 kabars, since when you're out in the boonies, you can sharpen it on a river rock. With a more exotic blade, that might not be possible.

But if you carry your own stone, this might be a non-issue.
 
Good LORD, Cliff, you guys used the **** outta that knife, didn't you?!
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What is that white crap on the handle in the picture while you still had it? Also, did you enlarge the choil in front of the blade? Or did Busse change the design and make it smaller? I had a chance to check out Mr. Dave's Basic 7 for about a week, and with the little use that I put it to, I was impressed. But the choil was way too small to be useful for anything. It looks like the one on yours/your brother's is large enough to be useful.

The asymmetric grind is one of the things that pretty much put me off of the Busse. I may have to rethink that, though, since it sounds like it works just as well without it.

Please, could you post a link here of any write-up that you did on the Basic 7?

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swede79:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I would like to try the Busse, but am a little afraid of the flat and concave sides for sharpening.</font>

Grind it however you want the first time you sharpen it.

M, yes, with the assistance of the makeshift mallet lying by the side of the blade.

-Cliff
 
Earth Muffin? That is not very nice is it? But I see you live in the flats where everything stinks!

Bill

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Cliff,

You're right about that. It is more my sharpening ability that I am questioning than anything. I would like to learn how to sharpen the Busse as it is ground from the factory as I hear they are pretty incredible.

Hi Copis,

Anyone that takes off their boots on the summit in order to put on their Birkenstocks qualifies as an earth-muffin in my book. I am more concerned with functionality than form, but this guy wasn't. He also asked if I was ever in the Army, because he thought all Army people carried big knives in case they have to kill someone. I have always thought of the SRK as a medium blade myself.

People that close minded tend to irritate me... I carry a big knife, but it's not for killing anything at all, as most of you know.

 
Up here (9200ft)there are a couple "earth muffins" that live in caves year round. Some I know some I see. They do it without malls and convenient stores. Are you going to teach' em survival with your black knife?

Sooo check your "math" before you pass judgement.

Like I said you live down there.....

Bill

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Copis:
Up here (9200ft)there are a couple "earth muffins" that live in caves year round. Some I know some I see. They do it without malls and convenient stores. Are you going to teach' em survival with your black knife?

Sooo check your "math" before you pass judgement.

Like I said you live down there.....

Bill
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I really don't understand your post. I live "down here" now, but only for the last couple of years. You have no idea where I have lived most of my life. If people want to live in caves, more power to them! Whatever they want to do.

I guess you don't like my use of the term "earth muffin". Too bad. If living higher in elevation than I makes you the winner, congratulations! You win!

If you are trying to make fun of my profession, I was an Army officer long before I became a mathematician, and spent LOTS of time living in the woods in SEVERAL continents. Perhaps I'm not the only judgemental one here.

Can we get back to knives?
 
Well, now that that's out of the way....
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Cliff, about that link. Do you have one? Orrrrr.... maybe I should just back up a page and branch out from those links you already posted.

Oh, swede, I don't know what the deal is with Birkenstocks, but they're pretty awesome. I just can't afford the real ones, so I had to stick with some cheesy fake Birky cork sole jobs. They are great for relaxing the feet after spending a day on a hard deck with flight boots on. Not trying to get into any pissin' contest, or anything. Just saying that the cork foot-bed thing works pretty well. And, hey, I call 'em earth-muffins, too.
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iktomi
 
Point well taken, Rockspyder. I apologize for getting so sidetracked, I'll try not to let that happen again!
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rockspyder:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">What is that white crap on the handle in the picture while you still had it?</font>

Glue. I found the handle a little thin for my tastes and as well wanted the index finger cutout deeper so I cut away part of the handle and built it up in other parts with the glue (some kind of marine epoxy). It was cut off later by my brother who has a vastly different hand than I and liked the NIB grip to what I created.

More detail on what I did can be seen on the Busse combat forum, include a responce to them by Busse :

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum39/HTML/000516.html

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Also, did you enlarge the choil in front of the blade?</font>

Yes. It was just a notch when I got it.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">could you post a link here of any write-up that you did on the Basic 7?</font>

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/busse_basic.html

Main review page (other reviews have comparison info regarding the Basic) :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/reviews.html

In regards to the grind, the flat/convex nature does put some people off. However it is just an edge bevel. If you don't like it then change it to full flat or full convex, or even chisel if that it what you want.

The performance of the blades is not 100% dependent on the edge geometry. In fact if you can maintain it, a full convex edge bevel would probably be better for heavy work.

-Cliff
 
Thank you very much, Cliff.
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