Best Jungle knife - How much?

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I think every knife nut has his own particular idea of what the perfect knife is. Mine is a knife for expeditions in the jungle. Why? Because that is what I like to do and it is an environment where a knife comes in handy. Probably no where in the world can one find a an environment more hostile and harder to walk through than a jungle. It is also one of the most rewarding environments because of its multiple beautiful and intriguing life forms. So, what is the best knife for the jungle. I myself believe (this is a subjective answer) that the Busse Fusion Battle Mistress platform to be the BEST. In particular I like the Combat Grade variety. It is a robust knife and is on the verge of the limit of usable weight. Because the other models in the Fusion BM platform are even heavier, they have been eliminated from our quest.

Why? Several reasons:
1) The steel is very good. It is resilient (as proved in tests). It maintains a good edge (as I myself have seen)
2) It has a great blade format. The width and length of the 10 inch Battle Mistress is very good. Not too small and not exageratingly big. For an all-purpose jungle knife it seems to me to be perfect
3) It has a great handle. The fusion (especially magnum) handle is really nice looking, durable and seems to be well affixed. The colors of the handle can be very attractive. You can get a good grip on it.
4) It feels really good in the hand. It is a well balanced knife
5) I just like it. Aesthetically, technically and for its overall design and usefullness.

On the negative side, I have only one complaint. It is too heavy for everyday jungle expeditions. One must lug around a lot of equipmant when in the forest. I myself am a photographer. If I was just going for a stroll through the forest it might be perfect in its present form. Seeing as though I am out in the jungle in a professional capacity, I feel its weight is problem when I am trying to reduce weight so as I can increase my performance level.

That said, so what then, is my perfect jungle knife? It must be a hypothetical answer because I have not, as yet, held the perfect jungle knife in my own hands. So I can only tell you what I "think" the best jungle knife is. Here we go:

Best Jungle Knife:
Reduced Thickness Combat Grade Fusion Battle Mistress with a magnum handle. Reduced to approximately 3/16 in. thickness

Cost (of whole package):
CGFBM with Magnum handles: $560 (average)
Cost of reducing it to 3/16 of an inch thickness: $250 (wild guess)
Combat sheath (I prefer Sempre Paratus): $75
Total cost: $885

I don't know how much it costs to reduce the whole knife down to 3/16 of an inch so I am just guessing. I would like to reduce the tang as well as the blade. I also don't know exactly how exactly much a Sempre Paratus sheath costs at this exact time - it is an estimate.

I am hooked on the Busse design, handles and steel. I have used my own Battle Mistress a lot and am extremely satisfied with its performance. If you are going to use one around the farm or ranch or even in the backyard, the standard format probably is perfect. I am talking about a knife for a long hard day's work in the jungle or for expeditions that last several days.

As far as the blade coating and the ridges that would get taken off when it was reduced - I don't like coatings and believe that the ridges are only cosmetic and don't add any practical performance enhancment.

Why the Sempre Paratus sheath? I think it's a great sheath for expeditions. The only thing I do is adjust the beltloop to make it more of a "high rider". The little pouch is great for carrying a sharpener, firestick, compass etc., which can come in handy in an emergency. It also is a sheath that you don't have to worry about jumping into a creek with. Leather would be a definite disadvantage when crossing a body of water can mean the difference between a quick solution or prolonged suffering.

I expect that some of the people on this forum will give in the missing price quotes to be able to come to a more precise cost.

So far, for me, Busse is the best solution in expedition knives. Unfortunately, for me to arrive at the "best knife" solution, I must make some adaptations. These thoughts are purely my own opinions and for each individual - your mileage may vary. Thanks.
 
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Just for all of you sad CGFBM owners who don't own THE best jungle knife - a bit of consolation:

The CGFBM is the best EXISTING model of jungle knife in the world.
 
I thought I had the ultimate Busse Jungle Knife,,, my SHBM Jungle assault, stupid light stupid sharp, conversion,,

Awesome review/opinion thread



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My choices for jungle work are here below....

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Going from top to bottom -

Hossum Retribution Custom Heavy Model

Hossum Retribution

Busse NMFBM

Busse FBM Satin Combat

BRKT Golok -

Of the above these three are my favourites....

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Weight wise, the Retribution in the middle is 16 oz, the one off above ( a custom heavy model ) is 19 oz and the NMFBM is 28 oz....both Retributions have a 12 inch blade and the NMFBM an 11 inch blade and for me a long blade is a great benefit in a jungle knife.

Fatigue wise....I think you can use a NMFBM quite easily....I have tried it for most of the day and did'nt find it a problem....if you need to chop trees it is actually an advantage....the smooth hand shaped grips are great for extended use....the only disadvantage is when it is on your belt...it is heavy enough on a normal belt to give that irritating "hitch your trousers" all the time issue....but if it is on a webbing harness....no problem.

For me at the minute the NMFBM is definately the easiest knife for me to use in a Jungle environment simply because it fits perfectly into my old issue Golok sheath....which being constructed from Canvas is ideal for the "wet" conditions...

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The shape of the Hossum handles don't enable a good toight fit and they would need something doing in Kydex probably....

The Nuclear treatment on the NMFBM does need a little tweaking if you want to have an edge for a ferro rod to strike on....which is handy in a wet jungle environment as matches and flints in lighters all suffer pretty bad from the constant moisture...so I used a demmel drill and flattened off a small section by the thumb ramp...which enables a great set of sparks to be created and being near the handle is easy to control and use.

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In the long term though I suspect the "heavy" Hossum model which has an inclined handle angle for chopping might be a very close run for the NMFBM...but we will see...because if heavy wood is on the list of things to work on I think the extra weight of the NMFBM might well be worth the effort.
 
Lord knows I like my battle mistresses, but the ultimate jungle knife is a machete. Next best would be a large light bowie or golok. The Scrap Yard DFLE does very well as a machete. The RTAK does well as a jungle knife, too. The mistresses are just too heavy. When the NMFBM came out, I was hoping for a full convex 3/16" thick version, so I could have the finest machete ever made!:D
 
Lord knows I like my battle mistresses, but the ultimate jungle knife is a machete. Next best would be a large light bowie or golok. The Scrap Yard DFLE does very well as a machete. The RTAK does well as a jungle knife, too. The mistresses are just too heavy. When the NMFBM came out, I was hoping for a full convex 3/16" thick version, so I could have the finest machete ever made!:D

That is why I went for the Hossum knives...they are that thickness....but it would be interesting to know the weight of Jeremy's modified Jungle Assault...aside from the smaller length...that looks to be a pretty much ideal candidate from the Busse "stable"....
 
I have never weighted her. But she is the lightest mistress next to a zt,, I have held,, but still packs a punch due to re curve convex. With the addition of the very all weather grip Carbon Fiber ...

The nose on this girl is so thin,,, you could perform minor surgery


I'm gonna edc her to Knob Creek,, and I will weight her monday.. And post results here,
 
EDC'ing for K.C. ? "Remember everyone....it's a Jungle out there"!!!!:D:D

That should get you first to the Trough...LOL....
 
What is the zt mistress? Did Busse make a thinner, lighter Battle Mistress? I'd love to have one of those or that jungle assault.
 
Just when I thought I had all the big knives I'd ever need or want I see the JA. I think I'll look for one and give it the "treatment". :eek:
 
Im had a Zero Tolerance (ZT) Battle Mistress and found it a bit too light. I always thought it was the "almost perfect" jungle knife but the whole design of the Fusion I find better.
 
I would hate to mess up my FBM, but I did just get some nice blue zirconia sanding belts. I could do a full convex on the FBM and take it way down. I can see it now, three worn out slick belts, a pile of INFI dust, and some funky recurve 'vexed FBM.
 
I would hate to mess up my FBM, but I did just get some nice blue zirconia sanding belts. I could do a full convex on the FBM and take it way down. I can see it now, three worn out slick belts, a pile of INFI dust, and some funky recurve 'vexed FBM.

Horrors!:eek:

Of course, if you do make the attempt ... we'll need to see pics!!:D:thumbup:
 
Even after all that grinding, my DFLE would still be lighter. While not as stylish as the FBM, the DFLE is a perfect user. It can chop well, but is light enough for machete work.
 
busses are too heavy when you have to ruck your own stuff...it's ok if you catch a ride, but imagine rucking that weight (or for that matter heavy tactical packs) for long walks/bashing...

how about Jerry come out with a lighter machete style busse? in the meantime, thinning it down may be a good idea?

I use a native blade myself...light and doesn't attract attention....
 
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Interesting thread!

I've been thinking about making this one a little lighter... thin it down to .220" saber ground.
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Although she mic's in at .308" thick, she feels about the same as my CG FBM.
I don't have a scale to get actual weights, but from holding it, they feel about the same to me.
She is 15 7/8" OAL and has a 9 5/8" blade from handle to tip.

I may keep this one as is, and send in a CGFBM for a similar treatment.
I'll use this one thru the summer, and make some decisions after I get a better feel of her. :thumbup:


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