Best knife for survival ?

CM_Rick said:
demoteamone,

I did not watch all of the videos all the way through. In the first minute of the guy actually using the tracker, I could see that he was already using the knife wrong. A three part series and he starts out chopping every time, and using the wrong technique. Again, he is chopping with the draw knife and quarter rounder. A common mistake for those who DON'T KNOW how to use the tracker properly. You chop with the top portion of the blade, the knife blade as it is called in TOPS specs for the knife. That is the reason it has a hatchet like curve to it. Also, his grip is all wrong as well. It is difficult to explain to someone that has never held a tracker before. The knife has a 3 position grip. The bottom end of the handle is designed for a three finger chopping grip. Stitch, was kind enough to put up the link to the tracker's instruction book, that was written by Tom Brown the designer. I suggest people check that out before assuming how to use the tracker. I don't think the guy in your video link even took a look at it, and it shows.
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You being around for just few days in this forum, u have much to learn.
however,you're better off with yours steel eagle:thumbup:
 
demoteamone said:
You being around for just few days in this forum, u have much to learn.
however,you're better off with yours steel eagle:thumbup:
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What does being a member of this or any other forum have to do with skills and knowledge? In my opinion those with the with the skills and the knowledge would rather be in the bush practicing, refining and improving what they know instead of just talking about it. It also seems like those people that do this well are heckled by those that don't when all they are trying to do is take the time to pass on quickly vanishing skills. It seems like no good deed goes unpunished. I actually own one of the knives and I am speaking from 5+ years of using my knife in the field, but don't trust my experiences when there are so many armchair commandos with much more forum experience.
 
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Stitch said:
Isn't the Red Scorpion Six made in china?

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SKS5 is an Asian steel
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http://www.redscorpionsix.com/content/about-us
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It's an Asian steel. That doesn't mean that's where the knife is made. I use steel from all over the world. They might be using a version of sk-5. I'm not positive if it's of the same origin as SK-5, but if so, that's a Japanese carbon steel most commonly used in blades from Seki-Japan
 
Fletcher Knives said:
It's an Asian steel. That doesn't mean that's where the knife is made. I use steel from all over the world. They might be using a version of sk-5. I'm not positive if it's of the same origin as SK-5, but if so, that's a Japanese carbon steel most commonly used in blades from Seki-Japan
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Thanks for that information. If memory serves me the SOG SF knife was made out of SK-5 before they started making it out of AUS8A.
 
Interesting thread, but for those replying to the OP, note that the first post is 3 years old. Doesn't mean the info isn't useful, but just FYI...

- Mark
 
Stitch said:
What does being a member of this or any other forum have to do with skills and knowledge? In my opinion those with the with the skills and the knowledge would rather be in the bush practicing, refining and improving what they know instead of just talking about it. It also seems like those people that do this well are heckled by those that don't when all they are trying to do is take the time to pass on quickly vanishing skills. It seems like no good deed goes unpunished. I actually own one of the knives and I am speaking from 5+ years of using my knife in the field, but don't trust my experiences when there are so many armchair commandos with much more forum experience.
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Impressive, Join Date: Oct 2005,Location: Northern Arizona,Posts: 83:rolleyes: impressive.
Are you trying to tell the world that, The Tops Tracker Knife "brick" of knife is good? or you're Fulltime Survival Instructor like CM Rick?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9169723&postcount=72
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9179042&postcount=79
Someone is cutting the ham for me;):D
 
For what its worth, I don't really see the value of the complexity associated with the tracker or other complex, multi-grind knives. I understand that folks like these things and they learn to exploit the special features of them. But it seems like these skills are always discussed as though you are supposed to exploit the tool in very complicated ways. To me, a knife is basically a robust edge and a stable spine. I can work with those two things and natural material. Why get more complicated than that? While I claim to be no expert in all things outdoors, I do note that my experience has trended from complex towards more simple knife designs.

Here is a good example of a very simple, yet effective tool:

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Its just a knife. It works great in many applications. I adapt my skills to its attributes. What else is really needed? This one is a Bryan Breeden peacemaker. Its 6" long, 1/8" thick of O1 steel. The blade height is not too wide (kind of the size of a buck 119). It doesn't feel like a mid-size blade in the hand, but you have that bit of length when you need it. It doesn't chop well, but I never found a knife that chops worth a damn anyway. Not relative to an axe or machete that is. It does everything else a knife needs to do and also finds an easy home in the kitchen.
 
demoteamone said:
You being around for just few days in this forum, u have much to learn.
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demoteamone said:
Impressive, Join Date: Oct 2005,Location: Northern Arizona,Posts: 83:rolleyes: impressive.
Are you trying to tell the world that, The Tops Tracker Knife "brick" of knife is good? or you're Fulltime Survival Instructor like CM Rick?
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Why are you so hung up on join dates and post counts?

And yes, it isn't to hard to see that Stitch is a fan of the Tracker style knife. He likes to use it, and has posted quite a bit of pictures of him using it effectively on this forum; so he has every right to recommend it. The same as anyone else has a right to recommend a Mora or a Busse if that is what works for them. There are allot of makers making Tracker style knives, so obviously someone thinks they're good.

If you have used one and disagree please state why, but don’t just post up “they are a waste of money” …… Everyone has a right to their opinion, and they don’t need to be here for several years and have a thousand posts…

And if you base all your opinions about knives from youtube videos, I would say you have allot to learn.
 
Dontcha love necro'ed threads ?

the tracker looks to me as a knife you'd need to learn to use to use effectively , its seriously not for me .

They used to be talked about a lot and red scorpion 6 I think was seriously into them , posting up about them a lot , I havent heard of either for ages tho
 
demoteamone said:
Impressive, Join Date: Oct 2005,Location: Northern Arizona,Posts: 83:rolleyes: impressive.
Are you trying to tell the world that, The Tops Tracker Knife "brick" of knife is good? or you're Fulltime Survival Instructor like CM Rick?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9169723&postcount=72
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9179042&postcount=79
Someone is cutting the ham for me;):D
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I am referring to my cutom knife based on the original design. I was a boy scout and started reading books by Bradford Angier, Larry Dean Olsen, etc in third grade. I read every book on survival and bushcraft that I can get my hands on. I have numerous dvds from Christopher Nyerges, Mors Kochanski, Ron Hood, John McPherson and Geri McPherson.

The first "official" survival class I took was in 1989 - Jungle Environment Survival Training at Subic Bay in the Philippines. There we used a big knife called a BOLO. My knife reminds me of the chopping ability of a BOLO

Then there were the two trips to Tinian for jungle training against the Sea Bee's.

18 months on Guam exploring the jungle and caves on my off duty time.

5 months on Okinawa maybe, but probably not, you might have heard of NTA - Northern Training Area

Desert Training in Oman prior to helping liberate Kuwait during Desert Storm.

Over a year at 29 palms participating in CAX exercises.

Numerous field ops at Camp Pendleton.

Somalia 1994.

Cold weather training in Flagstaff.

Numerous desert ops in Yuma.

I am sure none of this compares to the set of ass calluses you have from your extensive forum experience.

So, Demo are you trying to tell the world that you stole one of Richard Marcinko's nicknames and that you ARE a member of SEAL Team One?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko

As for my nickname I did not pick it. It was given to me by the motorcycle club I was a member of after I was patched in. It was the result of having the side of my head opened up with a beer bottle during a bar fight.

Why don't you take an English class and lean how to write a proper sentence? Your grammar sucks.
 
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wow this thread turned in to one big pissing contest. i did this training and that training and your a internet commando because you don't agree with me that this knife is the best or that it's a piece of shit.

i usually just try not to comment in threads like this but its getting annoying. if you like the knife you like it and if you don't you don't. state your reasons why and go on about your day. that is the great thing about opinions everyone gets to have there own and you don't have to agree with it. thats also the crazy thing about knives not every knife works for every person which is why there are multiple designs and more than one maker. each person has to decide what works best for them and their situation. which knife fits their hand the best in a variety of grips ect.

stitch i think your knifes design is much nicer than the tops version and looks like it could do a multitude of things well.

the tops tracker is a ok knife but is by no means special and doesn't excel at anything in my opinion. and if given the choice would much prefer a koster/fiddleback/brian andrews bushcrafter or a good 12 inch machete.

these are my opinions so take them for that and if you don't like me please attack my character, post count, training ect...ect...


i reread tonym's thread above and he is dead on.
 
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grunt soldier said:
wow this thread turned in to one big pissing contest. i did this training and that training and your a internet commando because you don't agree with me that this knife is the best or that it's a piece of shit.

i usually just try not to comment in threads like this but its getting annoying. if you like the knife you like it and if you don't you don't. state your reasons why and go on about your day.

stitch i think your knifes design is much nicer than the tops version and looks like it could do a multitude of things well.

the tops tracker is a ok knife but is by no means special and doesn't excel at anything in my opinion. and if given the choice would much prefer a koster/fiddleback/brian andrews bushcrafter or a good 12 inch machete.

these are my opinions so take them for that and if you don't like me please attack my character, post count, training ect...ect...
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Grunt Soldier
I have no problems with personal preferences. In my opinion all of your recommendations are solid well made choices. It just pisses me off when someone with "X" amount of post thinks they get some kind of secret decoder ring and can slam a knife based on looks. The last statement was directed at Demo.
Respectfully submitted,
Stitch
 
Thank you, to the mod and Stitch, for putting demoteamone in his place. I have been far too busy instructing my personal survival school all over the world. I have taught 50 million students this week in my state-of-the-art environment and natural disaster simulation bio dome. It has been rough. I know I should have been here to back myself up, but it's hard. I'm only 28, and I've been teaching survival classes for 50 years now, and it doesn't get any easier with time. I keep getting these idiots that sit on the internet all day, saying they're experts, and arguing every lesson I teach. I'm thinking about retiring.
 
1. -GASP!- Cold Steel GI Tanto. Haters go on and hate. It works and it's cheap.
2. -OH no he di-unt!- Gerber Prodigy. Again, it works. Most people don't like serrations for a survival knife. I don't care what most people like.
3. Mora Clipper
4. -He said whaaa- Buck Paklite Caper. I carry this and only this when I go ultralight.
5. Buck 757 Camp Axe
6. Bahco Laplander Saw

I also keep an Opinel in an Altoids tin with some basic survival gear. That's it. I've never needed anything else. I like to keep it simple, know a knife well and use it well. I don't spend a lot of money on them and I've never needed to. I'm a recreational outdoorsman. There ya go. :p
 
CM_Rick said:
Thank you, to the mod and Stitch, for putting demoteamone in his place. I have been far too busy instructing my personal survival school all over the world. I have taught 50 million students this week in my state-of-the-art environment and natural disaster simulation bio dome. It has been rough. I know I should have been here to back myself up, but it's hard. I'm only 28, and I've been teaching survival classes for 50 years now, and it doesn't get any easier with time. I keep getting these idiots that sit on the internet all day, saying they're experts, and arguing every lesson I teach. I'm thinking about retiring.
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This is a really great post! Props to you my good man!
Thanks for the grin and head nod.
Guys..I think that any more pissing back and forth will get an OVERALL discussion closed. The MODS, dont like pissing contests..and most here dont like the tracker (:))...so cool it.
I am sure all present are really good at going out in the woods and chopping stuff...it doesnt take a degree or anything, so get over the posturing, basically, thats a waste of time anyways.
 
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