Best steel for blades?

When people said your question made little sense, you narrowed it down and mentioned an outdoors fixed blade, and some people suggested INFI, and it was said that its not in productions knives, but rather semi-customs. It does have a reputation for being very tough while keeping a good edge for your intended purpose.

Scrap Yard Knives has the cheapest INFI offering in a very good outdoor knife you're likely to see for a while right now. It will take a while after you order to get the knife.

Other than that, 1095 with RAT/Rowen's heat treat is outstanding, but not very rust resistant, so you do need to be on top of knife maintenance. That said, the designers use their own knives for jungle survival training.
 
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Since you say you're new, there is something that you should know, and that is that your sharpening system is much more important than the steel. You need to maintain a sharp edge regardless of the steel, and since factory edges aren't very sharp, you'll need to put it there yourself.

Without a sharpening system, we would all be using ZDP-189 butter knives.
 
How about putting out a price range of what you are willing to pay? $20-50, 51-100, 101-200, 201-250, 251-400, whatever price range makes a difference.

Seems pointless if we can't narrow your question down a bit. Seems pointless for someone to push a $700 knife if you are looking to spend $100.

"Best" is relative to cash at hand v. to needs of user. Most people have to compromise somewhere.
 
i enjoy hunting i like to use,bark rivers in A-2,or koyotes L-6,dozier D-2,or 0-1 any maker,these steels an makers have all types of price ranges ,jus gota do alittle research,,,good luck an aloha
 
cotdt and CWL make good points about the value of sharpening systems and the "per dollar" factor.

If you have the means to sharpen easily, and are willing to take the time to keep the blade in good shape, you won't feel as pressured to possess the most edge-retensile super steel out there, which might run you a fair bit of money if it also has to be tough.

There may be a certain satisfaction in having the "ultimate" specimen of a certain type of blade, but I personally am content with stuff that does what I need it to, and well, even if I have to sharpen now and then and/or keep it dry. Savin' a bit o' cash ain't bad either. :D
 
Sorry but I gotta throw my two cents in

If you really interested read up on metallurgy, and Metalography if you have the patience for it. As you have seen there is no "best", but there is a list of favorites. Cost and availability aside its ptobably going to be a CPM steel personally I like M4

CPM M4- very hard (up to 64 HRC) with reasonable toughness
CPM 10v- very good wear resistance due to large % of vanadium
CPM s30v- stainless
CPM 154- hard, but not very tough
INFI- heard its great, but he doesn't release any real data, chemical or mechanical
D2- good wear resistance and toughness
CPM 9v- very good wear resistance due to the 9% vanadium, but not very hard
W-2- similar to files, but contains some vanadium
O-1- hard, good for forging but rust allot
L-6/S-7- excellent toughness not so good wear resistance
 
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I've never seen a knife made of 9V. It looks great on a chart when comparing wear, strength, etc., but then you see it was designed to work in the 40's and 50's RC. Not exactly knife steel. The knife steel in that class would be Crucibles 10V, and carpenters A11, which are the same. Stainless would be S90V/420PM
 
Interesting first impression.



Considering the first post, the second post is true in more ways than one.

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Are you a miscer? I've never seen anyone use lol wut on here.

Best steel for what? Spreading butter? Outdoor use? Light EDC use?
 
This is meant to be advice: the problem with your question is that it was way too broad. The analogy I would use is this: it was kind of like going on an auto enthusiasts board, and asking: "I would like to buy a car. What's the best car out there?"

Also, have some patience. Good forums are like communities; they each have their own culture. It pays to wait, and read, and learn. In this case, there is also a wealth of knowlege and knife wisdom too, so a lot of questions get answered in the course of time, plus you find out about things you never knew or thought about before, which can be a hell of a lot of fun.

Good luck.
 
For super tough and takes a great edge, there are relatively few choices. These are the ones I can think of in order of worst to best edge holding potential and generally from least expensive to most.

4340 or 4140
both low alloy steels with medium carbon, both very tough and will take a sharp edge. Edge holding will be less than the other steels listed. These are also basically limited to custom knives from understanding makers, since almost no one uses them except by request. Hardness, which is pretty much the only way they have edge holding ability, is mid to low 50's on the Rockwell C scale at maximum.

5160,9260,1055,1060
all low alloy steels or plain carbon steels with 0.5 to 0.6 percent carbon by weight. Higher hardness, better edge holding and slightly less toughness. All these listed are commonly used for swords, so the drop in toughness is minimal. 9260 is probably the toughest out of the group and second in edge holding to 5160 by most reports, though I've never used either so I cant comment with certainty. These are slightly more expensive than the last group, though prices will vary and they can be the same or even cheaper. These are more commonly used for knives, with 9260 being the hardest to get. They are also easier to find in stock sizes suitable for knives.

8670, 1075, 1080, W1, W2, 1095
low alloy, plain carbon, and in the case of W1 and W2, tool steels. Listed in order of decreasing toughness, but very dependent on heat treatment. Edge holding will range from good to excellent. This group and the above group are commonly given heat treatments with soft spines and hard edges, increasing overall toughness to tremendous levels, but the edge can still crack. Also still relatively inexpensive, and much more common in production knives.

O1, A2, D2, A8, L6, S7, S5, CPM 3V
all tool steels with specific needs in mind for the formulation. 3V is generally regarded as the best of this group, but is much more expensive. S7 and S5 are formulated specifically to resist impact and are used for pneumatic tool bits. L6 is very tough, while giving good edge holding potential. O1, A2, and D2 are quite common, with lesser toughness than the others listed here, but potentially greater edge holding ability. These are all very dependent on heat treatment. Toughness generally increases as carbon content goes down, with S7 and S5 having the lowest of the group. However, there are some pics on the makers forums of some O1 blades hardened from edge to spine that took 90 degree bends without breaking. O1, L6, and S5 can be heat treated with a soft spine and hard edge, making the 90 degree bend easier to take without breaking.

The reason for the cold reception was that there are literally thousands of steels available, and probably hundreds that could be used for knives. I've listed 20 here and have barely scratched the surface. None of the above are stainless, so I've left out an entire category. CPM steels are proprietary and relatively new, and each steel company has its own version for similar uses, and new ones are being formulated as we type. Heat treatment plays a huge role in toughness and can be very simple or very complicated, on the same steel, to say nothing of different steels. Just thought you'd want to know the barrel of worms you opened. I would suggest further reading in something like the Metals Handbook if you're interested, as most of the knife steel charts I've seen on the internet and in some books are oversimplified to the point of being misleading.

Of course, after reading this you could just be shaking your head and trying to uncross your eyes, so I'll offer a simple solution based on your fixed blade, tough and sharp outdoor knife criteria. Blade shape, size, and handle design are all important, but you asked only about steel, so here you go. Get some 1095, 5160, or O1. 1095 is easy to get in production knives and has huge variety. 5160 is harder to find, as is O1, and they will be more expensive.
 
I want steel that takes an edge like a champ and is super tough for the hardest jobs.

People have given lots of good advice already, but as everyone says it's tough to answer you because it's such a broad topic. The more you learn, the more you realize how much more there is to learn. :D

What kind of steel is "best" can even be influenced by what you're cutting. Are you cutting things that are abrasive? If so then you want a higher-alloyed steel, tool or stainless, with lots of carbides and abrasion resistance. Are you cutting acidic and/or corrosive stuff? (aka food :eek:) Then you'll find stainless is a better bet, in a couple of different ways.

And even if you can find a "best" steel for your application, the way that steel is heat treated is at least as important as the steel itself. So all other things being equal, go for a maker known for good heat treats. The design/geometry of the knife itself is also important. Different grinds are best suited to different types of tasks and materials to be cut.

And of course the general trade-off in sturdiness vs. cutting ability in designs is a major topic of discussion (well, contention) here. You mention 'hardest jobs', so you might look at makers who build "hard use" knifes (what others consider to be "sharpened prybars"), using thicker stock, tougher steels, grinds more optimized for strength, more obtuse edges....
 
What would you guys recommend for a large (8") combat knife that might see allot of abuse, my favorite is CPM M4, would this be o.k or does it need to be tougher
 
What would you guys recommend for a large (8") combat knife that might see allot of abuse, my favorite is CPM M4, would this be o.k or does it need to be tougher

It would be my choice for such knife.
 
What would you guys recommend for a large (8") combat knife that might see allot of abuse, my favorite is CPM M4, would this be o.k or does it need to be tougher


Even with a fairly specific defined need, there will be many steels to choose from. M4 is excellent. 3V is excellent, too, with a little less wear resistance and a little more toughness. Infi would be in there.

If you purchase a knife designed specifically for your needs from a high-quality maker, you'll almost certainly do fine.
 
For an 8" rough use/abuse combat knife there are several that come to mind. CPM 3V, 5160, 9260, S7, S5, 1060, 1050, 1075, L6, and 8670M could all be made to fit that criteria. From experienced makers you could also try A2, O1, or Infi, though the last one is very limited in availability and design in your size range.
 
I don't know, there might indeed be a best steel. Right now it's probably CPM M4 as I'm not getting as much microchipping/denting on the edge as with most other steels. This is a factor for both small and large knives. Edgeholding is in the elite class, easy to sharpen, really strong, keen edges. It's pretty tough, though knives don't really need much toughness, you're not punching metal dies at high speed (something that requires a magnitude more toughness than chopping wood with full might, which M4 is actually designed to do).

If you need stainless, just nickel-coat the M4 blade. The nickel coating protects the edge from rusting even though the edge is not coated, by acting as a sacrificial anode.
 
CPM M4 is the best steel in my opinion, it can be hardened to 61/62 or even 63 HRC, and still be very tough. As cotdt said it is designed for punching out other metals vary rapidly for extended periods of time, very cool steel
 
They are only used by Busse and the knives are not really production knives.

Sure they are. Busse does have a custom shop but the majority of Busse knives are production knives.
 
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