best way to make cable damascus

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hey everybody!
well i picked up a piece of cable from darren at the blade show...
what now?
i have flux and a forge.... how do i know when i have the steel hot enough? when to i apply the flux, and how... also do i just hammer it out? how do i know when it is solid?

thanks so much... much fear and trepidation over my first damascus
thanks
~Chris
 
Chris,
You have to be patient with the cable.
For starters I either arc weld or tie up the ends of the cable to prevent un laying of the rope (if you use stainless wire it wont get welded into the billet)

flux,heat,brush then flux heat and pound the cable will be roughly the same color as the inside of the forge when its ready for the setting welds.

First hammer blows should be soft and precise,roll the cable as you hammer from near to far.Flux,flux, flux, ruin a couple wire brushes........:)

when the sound goes from a dull thud to a high pitched ring,your getting a solid peice of steel.You will get a feel for it.

I have done quite a few billets by hand and one on a press.....boy those presses are neat.

Something else I have been playing with is taking out the core and putting in a solid bar,5/8" W2 then weld up as normal.You can have alot of fun with cable,throw some nickel rods in the mix too!
Have fun!!
 
when you say ruin a couple of brushes, are you saying i need to apply it with the brush or clean with it?
 
Well, if you've ever forge-welded anything before, it's basically the same.

If not... umm, it's not hard unless you think it's hard. Really. If you're not afraid, and you just jump into it, I think you'll have good results.

Now, the cable process goes like this (others may do it differently, no doubt about it, but this works, too):

Get it all ready to forge weld. Some will say it's ready when the surface of the steel looks wet or oily. That hasn't worked especially well for me. Others say it's the right temperature when it's the same color as the fire. That's worked well for me.

So it's the same color as the fire. Pull it out and give a generous dose of flux. It can't hurt, but between me and you, I've had equal success with no flux at all. Don't tell anybody.

Ok, you got it hot and you fluxed it. The time spent out in the air cooled it off, so back in the fire it goes till it's the same color as the fire again.

Now, here's the most fun and most important part:
Take the welding-temp, fluxed cable out of the fire, and (quickly) clamp the end in your vise. With a pipe wrench (or whatever), grab the cool end of the cable, and twist the hell out of it. It's obviously quite important to twist it so the strands get tighter, not looser. You'll forget this in the heat of the moment, if you're me.

Believe it or not, now it's welded. If you did it right, it's all solid now, as far up the cable as you had it at temperature. This won't be all the way, of course... I usually weld 4, 5, maybe 6 inches at a time. The rest will still be loose.

But you won't want to leave it like that. I mean, you could. You could leave it just like that, hammer it a little bit flat, and grind it out. That would leave LOTS of the cable character. Ariel Salaverria does some knives like this, and it's cool.

But if what you're after is cable damascus, then you're probably looking for the more homogeneous kind of look.

To get that, I like to use a half-round bottom fuller. You don't have to, but it helps. So you wail on the round billet, in the bottom fuller, kinda spinning it so that it goes from cable-shaped to cylindrical. This all happens at welding heat, and it's a good way to fix any strands that might not have welded into the billet yet.

Hammer and rotate, hammer and rotate, till you've got a nice cylinder of cable damascus.

Hammer your cylinder into a bar and your bar into a knife. There ya go!

:thumbup:
Mike
 
Some key points with cable damascus, first, when you heat it up the first few times, dont bring it to a welding heat. Let the tar and oils and such burn out, and then flux it liberally, let the flux really soak into the center. The flux doenst only help prevent oxidization, but it helps clean the crud out.

As said, you'll ruin several steel brushes, every time you take i tout of hte fire, quickly brush off all the crud that has worked it's way to hte surface.

There are two good ways to set teh weld, using a pipe wrench and a vice and twisting it (you have to be fast out of the fire) is a good way, but i usualy hammer. Dont hammer hard, hammer lightly, you just need to set the weld, if you hammer hard you'll just break it apart again. Hammer along the twist of the strands with firm blows, continually twisting the cable as you go along to keep the part you'r ehammering at hte top. Move along one strand , and then if youv'e worked fast enough start on the next one BELOW it in the twist (that's important, because if you hammer on the one 'above' it in the twist you'll start to unwind the cable as a whole. Hard to describe that part, but in the few billets I've done now, it becomes readily apperant because one way of hammering it will tighten up the strands, the other will mke them looser.

brush it off and flux it again before putting it back in the forge. Once you've gone along each of the strands you should really start to feel that hte weld has set, instead of soft squishy blows, it will start to resist your hammer, at that point you're basically all welded. You can start taking your time now. Go along the surface of the bar, which should be probably around 3/4 as large around as it started once the weld is fully set and compressed, and pull / pick off with pliers any burnt out strands, these are decarbed and not good for the steel. What gives cable damascus its pattern is the pattern of the decarbed outer part of the cable strands, but some of the cables on the outside of the billet will likely be totaly burnt.

After you get rid of any burned steel, flatten it out at your leisure, though i still like to work at high heat, like i would wrought iron.

Once you've done it well once, it becomse much easier the next time.

(my problem now after a few billets... is i need to actulaly USE them and make knives!. I've got a pair of sigan dub in the works out of cable right now though)

edit: here's a pair of cable billets i made, ground flat, and ready to be turned into the sigan dub, as you can see, there's no 'sign' of them being cable if they're welded properly , not untill you etch it, either that or unles you hammer with a very polished hammer, in which case you can see the pattern in the polished hammer-print
http://www.tharkis.com/images/cablebillets.jpg
 
The guys at Center Cross have a good cable damscus video. They twist the cable up tight until it screams....lol. I was asking about cable a while back and bought the video, but I was told that it would be a better idea to start off with regular pattern welding because cable is not as easy to weld up as it might seem.
 
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