Binoculars

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Hello Everyone.

Well, it is that time of year again..... time to buy gifts for people, most of whom I barely speak to. Fortunately the wife does speak to me, and after a decade of blissful wedlock she knows well enough to simply tell me what she wants rather than drop vague hints.

Her heart desires, among other things, binoculars to take when she goes on hikes in order to bird watch.
I haven't the foggiest idea what to get. I have the same set of binoculars that my grandfather gave me twenty years ago....they still work.
Hopping online was no help......way too many options out there, mostly from companies I have never even heard of.

I suppose I'm looking for something moderately compact, or at least smaller than military glasses.....and around 200 dollars.

Any ideas? Thanks for the help.
 
A fairly lightweight pair for under $200? Shouldn't be too hard. More binoculars are sold at Christmas time than any other moment. You should see some ads, maybe even an actual sale.

Binoculars are rated with numbers. In example, a 10x50 means that you have a 10 power magnification, and the front lens is 50mm across. You are generally looking for a 5:1 ratio or higher. Another common size is 10x35, which at 3.5:1 you will note that the image is not quite as crisp or bright... it "uses" more light.

Avoid zoom models. You suffer a lot of optical quality loss for that marketing feature. These are numerically shown as 10~20x50, that would show a zoom range of 10 to 20 power (the front lens element or "exit diameter" would be 50, in this example).

If you believe that she is serious about this, you can get a great value with Steiners, but I would encourage you to push your budget to about $325. These may indeed be military style, but many in their line are quite lightweight and very ergonomic. They have a number of different levels of housing bodies that all utilize the same glass (some with different coatings). Prices escalate accordingly. I have a 10x50 Mil Marine that compares remarkably well with $1500+ Swarovski models. Check eBay after you have done some research.

"Field of View", the width of coverage is an issue with birders. Quite often, they will spot something with a wide field view binocular, then switch to something that we might use for rifle bench shooting. Quite a narrow view, high powered scope, usually on a tripod.

If she is just tinkering with the idea, any of those miniature folding compact $20 models available at MallWart would be great for sitting on the couch and watching the bird feeder. The next step would be the Bushnell Sportview 7x35's which are remarkable bright and well balanced... and a bargain in the $40 range.

More than most other things, with optical glass, you get what you pay for. At the same time, there is no need to purchase qualities that you will not likely need.
 
I second the Pentax line. For something smaller with good magnification try a 8x30 set.
 
Check out binoculars.com. I got my Nikon Monarchs (8 x 42) there at a very good price, pretty darn close to my buddy's Swarovski's at 1/10th the cost, at least to my 61-year-old eyes. Lots of excellent reviews and links as well.
 
Here's a good place to read some birding-specific reviews...http://www.birds.cornell.edu/Publications/LivingBird/Winter2005/Age_Binos.html

for $200 and under, you're likely not going to find a decent pair of roof prism binocs (the ones that look light two straight tubes). They're lighter, but if they're not phase-corrected, they don't let in anywhere near as much light (VERY important) as a traditional poro prism (the ones that look like a typical binoc).

If you want a light, cheap, good poro prism, the Leupold Yosemite 6x30 is highly praised. If you can deal with a heavier binoc, the Nikon Action EX 7x35 is the top of the heap as far as cheap glasses - I have a pair of these and love them, although they start turning into an anchor near the end of a long hike.

If you're willing to spend a little more, and want the lighter roof tops, you'll want it phase corrected (esp. for birding). There's universal praise for the Nikon Monarch 8x42, and I've been wanting a Leupold Wind River Katmai 6x32 for years, but can never explain to my wife why it's worth spending that amount of money.
 
Best optics for the money that I have dealt with are Nikon or Leupold...I handle both on a daily basis at work, among others.
 
another vote for nikon 8x42 monarch

waterproof, sturdy, good quality and not expensive
 
May I point you at ConsumerSearch.com where they claim to be reviewing the reviews -
ie: survey all the reviews out there, rate them, and come to some concensus -
kind of what we'd do if we had the time and resources....
even if one did not agree with their choices the site is a good resource to find reviews.

ConsumerSearch on Binoculars

Their top choice was the Nikon Monarch ATB 8x42 @ about $250

However I'd look at compact binoculars - although ultimately they may be a compromise for really serious bird watching - the savings in size and weight - tends to out weigh the other advantages of bigger/heavier binos (for me) - but as always YMMV -

ConsumerSearch compact pick was the Pentax Papilio 6.5x21 @ about $130.

Personally I'd also look at the Nikon Travelite 8x25, which seems to be very good value for the quality @ about $70.

Hope some of this helps,

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For bird watching, I like the highest magnification I can hold steady. If your wife can hold ten power binocs, I'd go with them.

I have Pentax 10 x 42mm and slightly more compact Nikons. Both are very good. To get a significant improvement, I'd have to go to the Zeiss and I'm just not willing to cough up the bucks at this point.

I bought my sister some 14 x 40mm Nikons with the image stabilizing system. Those are really great for bird watching but very expensive.

DancesWithKnives
 
FWIW...

I just bought the STEINER 8X42 Military/Marine this past year and love them.
Not having to focus all the time is a big plus!

Sounds just like what your looking for...the size is just compact enough that I can fit them into my thigh cargo pocket on my pants (snug fit, but they fit!).

I got mine from Binoculars.com for under $200

Keith
 
Hello Everyone.

Well, it is that time of year again..... time to buy gifts for people, most of whom I barely speak to. Fortunately the wife does speak to me, and after a decade of blissful wedlock she knows well enough to simply tell me what she wants rather than drop vague hints.

Her heart desires, among other things, binoculars to take when she goes on hikes in order to bird watch.
I haven't the foggiest idea what to get. I have the same set of binoculars that my grandfather gave me twenty years ago....they still work.
Hopping online was no help......way too many options out there, mostly from companies I have never even heard of.

I suppose I'm looking for something moderately compact, or at least smaller than military glasses.....and around 200 dollars.

Any ideas? Thanks for the help.
Been away from the forum for a while, had a lot of things to deal with. Anyway, I've been mulling this optics decision myself. I previously wanted to go with a monocular for ultimate compact size. I realized quickly, after some generous members shared their toys, that binoculars are a must if it is not a spotting scope. So, I've reconciled to the smallest pair of binoculars possible.

You've also said the magic word: she's a birder. Hard to shop for, very demanding of optics. If she wants something light, and moderately compact, we need SPECIFICS.

Any possible description of physical condition? Some men like their women petite, others like them to haul their own weight- and him as well when he gets tired. :p Binoculars can get heavy relatively easily, as they are hand held. If you go for something larger, look into getting a binocular harness- distributes weight vs. just on neck.

What does she have now, binoc wise? Company, decade, all are important. If she uses top shelf bins, then you have to buy top shelf. If not, you can pleasantly surprise. If nothing, then you can blow her out of the water.

Would she be doing any birding early in the morning or towards dusk? Those conditions necessitate low light performance.

Does she take good care of equipment, or knock it around? Might be better served with worse view, more durable bins.

What environment do you live in? Are we looking at long, open praries, dense woods, a mixture, barren mountains?

Does she wear glasses? Some binoculars are great except unfriendly to glasses.

Generally, it's hard to do under $300 and do truly small and compact while high quality. Most quality optics under $300 are porro prisms, which by their nature are bulkier and can add weight. They also are generally less durable and waterproof. You're probably supposed to stick with binoculars that end with a 30, 32, or something similar. That is the size of the big lens, which determines overall size and weight.

Recommendations without your input:
If you could go bigger, to 42, I would highly recommend the Leupold Cascades. Right around $200, a little over. Porro prism, waterproof, rather excellent for the price.

If you need small and that price range, then this is about $20 over your initial stated price. They are quite compact,
http://www.eagleoptics.com/index.asp?pid=5209
Also, they have been very much beloved as top compact binoculars. Anything better (from what I know) is bigger, heavier, or more expensive. They are actually smaller than necessary for what your wife sounds like she needs, but they would do fine.

If you don't want bigger, or over your price at all, then probably the best binoculars, without getting a screaming deal, is in Leupold Yosemites.

At $250, very well reviewed, true mid-sized binoculars: http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/vortex.pl?page=vortexfury6x32
Generally, you go as big as comfortable with binoculars. Furies have gotten excellent reviews, and, consequently, are probably the best fit for all that she wants.

That said, just call up either eagle optics. They'll do a much better job of sussing out needs in real time. Good return policy in the event you fail her ;)
Zero
 
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I've noticed that a few people like the 8x42 Nikon Monarchs, does anyone have an opinion on the 10x42 Monarchs? I checked both out at a store and the 10s didn't seem to be much bigger or heavier so I was leaning towards getting those in stead of the 8s unless the 8s are much better.

I already have a pair of Nikon 7x35 Action Naturalist IIs that I like but they stay in the house mostly.

One thing I like about Nikon binoculars is that they have a great warranty. 25 years for owners and even if you buy them second hand like I did with the 7x35s you can send them in to Nikon and they will fix them for $10. I don't know of any other manufacturer who does that.

Chad
 
Vortex optics has an excellent warranty.

VIP, no fault warranty. No matter the reason, send it to them, they repair or replace. They even pick up shipping, and it transfers with the binoculars, in case you want to sell and upgrade.
Zero
 
Nikon Monarch for all the reasons noted in prior posts. I've been VERY happy with mine for several years.

Jeff
 
Nikon waterfproof travelites for me - good. light optics for hiking/hunting ;

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