Biological/Chemical Survival Tips?

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but lets face it there are times when you can't run from death. that doesn't mean we shouldn't look for a solution.

maybe a quick route to a known hospital where they have a vaccine?

sometimes you just got to accept the fact you will die!

I am all for trying to survive down to my last cell but death is around every corner someone might come up with a great plan to beat a biological agent but have a heart attack cause they eat fried foods and smoke 2 packs a day.


what is that great saying "god grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change and the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the differance"
 
chrisaloia wrote:
but lets face it there are times when you can't run from death. that doesn't mean we shouldn't look for a solution.

maybe a quick route to a known hospital where they have a vaccine?

sometimes you just got to accept the fact you will die!

I am all for trying to survive down to my last cell but death is around every corner someone might come up with a great plan to beat a biological agent but have a heart attack cause they eat fried foods and smoke 2 packs a day.
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Chrisaloia-

I understand your point. And I do not pretend to know what is best for you or anyone else for that matter. Nor are the following comments meant as criticism of you. Nevertheless, I beg you to reconsider your outlook on taking precautionary measures.

In times of great psychological stress and uncertainty, the human response to continued survival is often predisposed to "shutdown". Ask any survival instructor, and 10 out of 10 will tell you that the number one factor governing an individual's survival chances is his WILL (or ATTITUDE) TO LIVE.

Unfortunately and disturbingly, I am encountering an ever growing number of normally rational people--with the education, means, and ability to take steps to safeguard themselves--who are simply resigning themselves to their "fate". Our new "war on terrorism", with its unprecendented (to Americans anyway) threat of bombings, mass murders, and nuclear/chemical/biological attacks has somehow "short-circuited" not only many people's will to survive and overcome, but also their need to take precautions.

They say things like, "It won't happen here. But, if it does then there's nothing I can do about it." Or like, "If a biological attack happens, we're all dead anyway." This is the mentality of preyed-upon herd animals. And I believe in some manner the enormity of the potential catastrophies has somehow insidiously injected denial in normally rational thought processes--spawning a sort of "Neo-Fatalism" here in the United States. This is a disturbing trend. It is defeatist, and must be actively combatted by us all!

Sure, there will come a time for all of us "check out". But like you I am going down FIGHTING and KICKING with everything I got. Not only that, but I am going to take every conceivable precaution and make every conceivable preparation to avoid having it come to that! It's what I deserve, and what my family deserves. I want to persuade you that its what you and your family deserves.

And while I am not advocating buying a gas mask as "the answer"; it is in its own way integral to "the answer". Like a support column, buying a gas mask forms just one maybe small part of the foundation of "the answer" (forgive the architectural metaphor, its all I could think of late at night). Another column, if you will, would be akin to asking your doctor or dentist NOW for a prescription for Cipro or Amoxycillin--because if/when Anthrax comes to Your Town, USA; I assure you its going to be damn nerve-racking to see if there's enough to go around. Having a prescription on hand could "hold you over" until the medical community meets the logistical challenge; and with a threat like Anthrax--could mean the difference between life and death. There are dozens of these types of logistical, tactical, and spiritual preparations we all need to seriously consider.

For an example of the proper mindset, think Israel. They are survivors because their survivalist culture demands it. For fifty years they have been surrounded by hostile neighbors and live literally among the Terrorists. I don't think the community in Tel Aviv would think carrying or possessing a gas mask, or firearm, or trauma dressing (as just a small sampling amongst a hoard of other survival items) as extraneous. Yet, many here in America seem to find all sorts of reasons not to procure these things for themselves, or dismiss survival planning altogether.

We just need a little bit of a wake-up call. And I apologize for being long-winded, but I felt I needed as many words to make a compelling argument in favor of keeping up the good fight to live.

Best of luck to one and all,

God Bless America,

Ron (guncollector)
 
What Ron said. Have gas masks for my wife and I. Am considering a wood stove and more bullets.

Take Care,
bug
 
Thank you for your concern for our situation here in America Nils. However to be honest you seem either quite well intentioned and young; or something very different.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former.

bug
 
I agree it's better to be prepared than just give in. Along those
lines, I live near a major highway, so there's a possibility of chemical spills that have nothing to do with terrorists. Any ideas on gas masks for very young children? How about those disposable smoke hoods?

Patrick
 
Patrick a Washington Post video yesterday said one company manfactures masks kid size. They also mentioned using the hood type mask you talked about. You may view the video by going to the Post. Look on the right side of the page. Down near the bottom is a heading "Audio & Video". Under that heading click "On Buying Gas Masks". They didn't name the company.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

Take Care,
bug
 
Patrick/Outdoors-

I've been researching Gas Masks for quite some time now, so I will share with you what I know.

With regard to children, proper Respiratory Protection will depend on their age. For children younger than about age 7 or 8, there exists no actual "mask" system will afford reliable protection due to the failure to "seal" against the children's smaller heads.

The only protection I have found for ages 0-7 years, is in the form of waist-up "suits" sold by Micronel Safety--the same manufacturers of the excellent M95 Gas Mask system. They have 2 models: an Infant model for 0-3 years, and also a Child Size model for ages 3-7 years. You can check them out at: http://wwww.micronelsafety.com. These suits are imported, and feature positive air-pressure systems (i.e. battery-operated forced air) from I believe Germany, mated to the suit which is made in Israel.

For children older than 7 to 8 years old, the only protection I have been able to find currently are the Israeli surplus masks made in specifically a Child Size. I have 2 on hand and they do provide a positive "seal" on my 7 year-old niece. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any commercial manufacturers who make masks for small children--I presume from the previous lack of an appropriate market for such an item.

Whatever mask you procure, it is critical to procure the proper NBC-rated filters (referred to "green ring" filters in military/law enforcement circles) when using these masks!

For teenagers to adults, I highly recommend the Gas Masks manufactured by either Micronel Safety, specifically the M95. It's not cheap, but its of excellent quality. Alternatively, I like the MSA Advantage 1000 Gas Mask for half the money. Note: The MSA mask uses a proprietary "twist-lock" filter attachment system--hence a proprietary filter which you can readily purchase from MSA and other sources. However, you can purchase separately an adapter to use standard NATO 40mm threaded filters with the Advantage 1000.

I often get asked about other Military surplus masks--and to be honest I just don't know. From my research on the Net (not personal experience), I understand the USGI M40 mask is excellent, but are difficult to find. The M40's predecessor, the M17A1 was functional but is a 1950's design and requires you take off the mask to change filters--not good. Forget anything more antiquated than the M17A1, people.

With regard to Foreign Military, the Canadian C4/C5 gas masks are supposedly a very good value--the best of the imported bunch. The German Draeger system is supposedly good too, but only the most recent model. The Israeli surplus masks are a "love'em or hate'em" proposal depending on who you ask. Some say the rubber is "too hard" to provide a good seal, though I haven't found this to be necessarily true. I procured Israeli surplus Child's masks only because I could find no other Child Size mask for kids in the 7-13 year old range.

Anyway, hope this helps.

Ron (guncollector)
 
I just want to say, all my family lives in NYC and my sister in dc.
I grew up there, and I knew that it was a major target area which played a big part in my not living there with my family. I have explained my postition to them many times. they are just now buying some supplies. hope it isn't too late for them.

I now live in a very rural area of america. preparedness is also strategically picking your battle ground.the community I live in is very tight and my wife's family are all down here. I knew that this is the best ground to be at in the kind of situation that has arisen.

I guess everyone has to do their best taking into account their location, tools, gear, people, etc.


I wish everyone much good luck, anyone of us could be in a targetted area.

chris aloia
 
Memphis, Enid Lake, Tupelo and Sardis Lake. Good location Chris. But don't forget even Oxford can be slippery. Do you think that's what Billy Joe thought as he fell off the bridge?

Teach us something about Tai Chi.

Take care,
bug
 
is controlled by the waist and is expressed in the hands and fingers. from the feet to the to the legs to the waist should be one complete flow of chi. one will then be able to seize opportunites and occupy superior position.

Yang Lu-ch'an's tai chi classic

any time you are in oxford drop me a line and we'll do a 2 hour class.


chris
 
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