Bitchfest: September, 2023 Edition: Have At It!

[yoko]

Not jumping in early on the DEK 3 in Magnacut is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life lol

 

[EMCEE]

Not jumping in early on the DEK 3 in Magnacut is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life lol

I’m definitely in the same pitty party club, brother. As a matter of fact, if you start the “”I Wish I Ordered a MC DEK3 Early Club”, I will gladly sell my left and pay buckaroos extra for each of us to acquire one on the secondary market. I’d also be honored to be your VP.

My hunch is that they’ll at least gain BOOT DAGGER status. Well, at least we have “Gretchen and Tantosaurus”….

 

[Blues]

You girls need to take your whining to the Exchange...just sayin'. It's undignified.

 

[EMCEE]

I always take my whining to the exchange. Such is life. Didn’t mean to rope anyone else into my ambitions, no disrespect, and never refer to me again as a girl. Thank you.

 

[Blues]

I always take my whining to the exchange. Such is life. Didn’t mean to rope anyone else into my ambitions, no disrespect, and never refer to me again as a girl. Thank you.

I forgot your pronouns, my bad. I'm old and can't keep things straight.

No worries on the rest. I'm just trying to keep it somewhat within the lines here...things tend to take on a life of their own otherwise.

Thanks, Michael.

 

[yoko]

You girls need to take your whining to the Exchange...just sayin'. It's undignified.

I sir am mostly undignified hahahaha

 

[EMCEE]

Oooh yummy !!! All DEKs are superb but that DEK3 is absolutely gorgeous ! I don’t usually beg outside of the bs&t but I’m hittin’ you up, Mr. That knife is cream o’ the crop , imho .

Michael

I forgot your pronouns, my bad. I'm old and can't keep things straight.

No worries on the rest. I'm just trying to keep it somewhat within the lines here...things tend to take on a life of their own otherwise.

Thanks, Michael.

Lol ! I respect and appreciate how challenging your role must be. All due respect to that and the rules. I’m not young but my “pronouns” should still be obvious. My God, a guy watches Broke Back Mountain ..one time and …,,,

E, my hope is that you laugh at that because as they say, “If we ain’t laughing, we’re crying!” Good night.

Regards,

Michael

 

[Hammer67]

I tried to resist getting in on this thread, but I just couldn't do it.

From top to bottom:
DEK1 - Delta 3V, unbuffed black canvas
DEK1 - AEBL, buffed double black canvas
DEK1 - MagnaCut, unbuffed double black canvas
DEK2 - Delta 3V, unbuffed double black canvas
DEK2 - Delta 3V, swedge, buffed burlap
DEK3 - MagnaCut, double edged tip & sharpened swedge, ECAM

There's a certain satisfying symmetry in having 3x1s, 2x2s, and 1x3.

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....but do you have a DEK4 yet? Hmmmmm?

 

[EMCEE]

I sir am mostly undignified hahahaha

Apologies for roping you in to controversy, my friend. This was not my intent.

 

[EMCEE]

....but do you have a DEK4 yet? Hmmmmm?

SOB !!! That’s perfect timing and just the right amount of humor ! Thank you ! I’m gonna polish off this last beer, take off my knives, say night night to Napoleon Dynamite, and go to bed !

 

[Blues]

Please don’t take it more seriously than intended. It’s just better to push the envelope more in “Random “. Keeps the hallways cleaner for the janitor.

 

[EMCEE]

Please don’t take it more seriously than intended. It’s just better to push the envelope more in “Random “. Keeps the hallways cleaner for the janitor.

All good and gotcha . Goodnight .

 

[murat1983]

Not jumping in early on the DEK 3 in Magnacut is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life lol

I have jumped to DEK3 MC but it was not early enough, so I ended up with 3V DEK3 instead due to the high scrap rate. I was so excited to have DEK3 in MC but it is what it is. I do not think 3V is a good option for DEK3. it does not have good enough edge stability at high hardness. Also, given that grind is thin, this would exaggerate the problem. But I did not want to miss the opportunity of having DEK3, so I accepted my fate and got one in 3V. On the positive note, since I also wanted something in MC, I ended up buying an extra knife (DEK1) in MC given that we might not see another run of DEK3 or anything in MC from CPK.

 

[mb>]

I think edge stability in Nate’s Delta 3V (not the same as industry standard heat treat) is a big part of why this whole thing has blown up the way it has. The knives perform. You’ll be good M murat1983 .

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

I think edge stability in Nate’s Delta 3V (not the same as industry standard heat treat) is a big part of why this whole thing has blown up the way it has. The knives perform. You’ll be good M murat1983 .

I can't speak for others but the delta 3v and it's unique heat treat is exactly what got me paying attention.

 

[murat1983]

I think edge stability in Nate’s Delta 3V (not the same as industry standard heat treat) is a big part of why this whole thing has blown up the way it has. The knives perform. You’ll be good M murat1983 .

I am not saying the edge stability of 3V is bad. But compared to other steels it is not good either. It does not matter if it is standard or delta treatment.

When you grind a knife thin, it needs to be hard. Even if it is not thin the apex is still considerably thin if the knife is sharpened to extreme angles (such as below 17). So you need two things in edge stability, high toughness AT high hardness. 3V does not have that regardless of the heat treatment. Period!

If that was the case (3V being the king of edge stability) everybody would be using 3V in cutting competitions.

 

[bluemax_1]

I am not saying the edge stability of 3V is bad. But compared to other steels it is not good either. It does not matter if it is standard or delta treatment.

When you grind a knife thin, it needs to be hard. Even if it is not thin the apex is still considerably thin if the knife is sharpened to extreme angles (such as below 17). So you need two things in edge stability, high toughness AT high hardness. 3V does not have that regardless of the heat treatment. Period!

If that was the case (3V being the king of edge stability) everybody would be using 3V in cutting competitions.

Sometimes I just sit back and amuse myself at silliness, but sometimes I can't just let things slide.

Some people obsess over theoretical differences between super steels, without actually looking at real world results.

Nathan's already posted videos of extreme edge testing (who really plans on cutting nails and bolts with a KNIFE?). He's shown just how well his D3V retains its edge, and how resistant it is to abuse even compared to his personally tweaked Magnacut, which performs better than the standard MC heat treat.

Using competition choppers for an analogy is just plain dumb. Those are very specialized tools, with very specialized requirements. How many Magnacut competition choppers are there? They use 4V, because it has properties that fit the specific requirements to excel at Bladesports. Doesn't mean you see a whole host of folks going, "4V is the ultimate knife steel!".

Most users aren't going to be able to tell the difference between D3V and MC in use. MC has a theoretical advantage in stainlessness, but D3V is already very good in that respect, and the difference potentially only applies to folks living on the coast.

D3V @ 60.5 HRc is already harder than most knifemakers who tend to average around the high 50s HRc.

Will you see a difference in the number of cuts on Manila rope or a CATRA test vs Magnacut? Maybe. Would you be able to tell the difference in the real world? Unlikely.

But that will never stop certain folks from obsessing over the next super steel.

 

[Blues]

Sometimes I just sit back and amuse myself at silliness, but sometimes I can't just let things slide.

...snip...

Come on, Max. You never let anything slide.

Otherwise...good post.

 

[Hammer67]

Sometimes I just sit back and amuse myself at silliness, but sometimes I can't just let things slide.

Some people obsess over theoretical differences between super steels, without actually looking at real world results.

Nathan's already posted videos of extreme edge testing (who really plans on cutting nails and bolts with a KNIFE?). He's shown just how well his D3V retains its edge, and how resistant it is to abuse even compared to his personally tweaked Magnacut, which performs better than the standard MC heat treat.

Using competition choppers for an analogy is just plain dumb. Those are very specialized tools, with very specialized requirements. How many Magnacut competition choppers are there? They use 4V, because it has properties that fit the specific requirements to excel at Bladesports. Doesn't mean you see a whole host of folks going, "4V is the ultimate knife steel!".

Most users aren't going to be able to tell the difference between D3V and MC in use. MC has a theoretical advantage in stainlessness, but D3V is already very good in that respect, and the difference potentially only applies to folks living on the coast.

D3V @ 60.5 HRc is already harder than most knifemakers who tend to average around the high 50s HRc.

Will you see a difference in the number of cuts on Manila rope or a CATRA test vs Magnacut? Maybe. Would you be able to tell the difference in the real world? Unlikely.

But that will never stop certain folks from obsessing over the next super steel.

 

[murat1983]

Sometimes I just sit back and amuse myself at silliness, but sometimes I can't just let things slide.

Some people obsess over theoretical differences between super steels, without actually looking at real world results.

Nathan's already posted videos of extreme edge testing (who really plans on cutting nails and bolts with a KNIFE?). He's shown just how well his D3V retains its edge, and how resistant it is to abuse even compared to his personally tweaked Magnacut, which performs better than the standard MC heat treat.

Using competition choppers for an analogy is just plain dumb. Those are very specialized tools, with very specialized requirements. How many Magnacut competition choppers are there? They use 4V, because it has properties that fit the specific requirements to excel at Bladesports. Doesn't mean you see a whole host of folks going, "4V is the ultimate knife steel!".

You do not know what you are talking about. And I tend not to let such ignorance slide.

1- In Nathan's test 3V was likely to be around it's optimal hardness which is 60-61. MagnaCut was at 62-63. The difference in hardness in that scale is not linear it exponential. Meaning that 62-63 HRC is likely to be multiple times harder than 60-61.

2- The tested knives were not thin. So it was more of a destruction test than an edge stability test. People usually try to put lateral stress by carving out hard materials (such as wood or brass rod) to test the edge stability. Their apex were relatively narrow and both MC and 3V failed from that test. The edge got chip in MC and on 3V it rolled. Exactly what you expect when difference in hardness is that much. From edge stability point of view both chip and roll are fails.

3- Also MC has almost twice the amount of carbide content of 3V. That is also something affecting edge stability. So it is only natural for MC to have less edge stability than 3V at same hardness. But the point it is they were not at same hardness.

4- 3V could be bring up to 62-63 but there is a reason 60-61 is the optimal hardness for 3V. That reason is 3V toughness takes a nose dive after 61. So it is not the same 3V you love at 60 anymore.

5- Using competition chopper analogy is not dumb but your comments are...