Bitchfest: September, 2023 Edition: Have At It!

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And if all you care about is cutting nails with a knife, then yes, you do not need to worry about the edge stability. Take your 3V thick knife and cut all the nails you want. But do not throw sh*t on other people who have different opinions and uses about knives. B bluemax_1
 
murat1983 said:
You do not know what you are talking about. And I tend not to let such ignorance slide.

1- In Nathan's test 3V was likely to be around it's optimal hardness which is 60-61. MagnaCut was at 62-63. The difference in hardness in that scale is not linear it exponential. Meaning that 62-63 HRC is likely to be multiple times harder than 60-61.

2- The tested knives were not thin. So it was more of a destruction test than an edge stability test. People usually try to put lateral stress by carving out hard materials (such as wood or brass rod) to test the edge stability.

3- Also MC has almost twice the amount of carbide content of 3V. That is also something affecting edge stability. So it is only natural for MC to have less edge stability than 3V at same hardness. But the point it is they were not at same hardness.

4- 3V could be bring up to 62-63 but there is a reason 60-61 is the optimal hardness for 3V. That reason is 3V toughness takes a nose dive after 61. So it is not the same 3V you love at 60 anymore.

5- Using competition chopper analogy is not dumb but your comments are...
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Go ahead and post up your background in knifemaking and metallurgy, so we can see what your basis is, beyond, "Well, I THINK what I've read, means..."
 
bluemax_1 said:
Go ahead and post up your background in knifemaking and metallurgy, so we can see what your basis is, beyond, "Well, I THINK what I've read, means..."
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I am an enthusiast who follow the works the scientists. I do not need to know your background given all the nonsense you are talking about ;)
 
murat1983 said:
I am an enthusiast who follow the works the scientists. I do not need to know your background given all the nonsense you are talking about ;)
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So go ahead and list up all the Magnacut competition choppers that have been winning Bladesports competitions, then explain why 4V competition choppers have anything to do with D3V and Magnacut.
 
bluemax_1 said:
So go ahead and list up all the Magnacut competition choppers that have been winning Bladesports competitions, then explain why 4V competition choppers have anything to do with D3V and Magnacut.
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I did not say that competition choppers should be made in MC. Can you even read?

I mentioned competitions because the knives there are thin and hard. But they need to be tough at that hardness (i.e. high edge stability) so they do not get chipped. They also need to be hard, so the thin edge could be supported and it does not get rolled. And when this is the case, they will have superior cutting performance.

And since 3V do not have that high toughness at high hardness (I feel like I am repeating myself too much at this point) it is not a preferred steel for competitions.

According to Dr Larin (the creator of MC). MC is a stainless 4V, so if we believe that there is no reason to not to make competition choppers from MC. But what is the point? Do we need stainless properties in competition chopping? No.. So no need for MC competition knife. And MC steel is new and there is data and a few maker telling that MC is stainless 4V, but personally I want to see more evidence to get convinced. But that is not the point...
 
That's all from me. I do not want to spend my time anymore on this non-sense.

Ps. If I was believing that 3V would be absolute sh#t on DEK3, I would not buy one... But if I had options to choose I would buy DEK3 in AEBL followed by MC and then in 3V.

Also Casinostocks Casinostocks I am not the one who is being a fanboy here. It is you and people like you who are not open to hear other's opinion and when someone states something against your beliefs you act like zealots. Making you the largest fanboy of 3V. Personally I have higher ambitions than being a fanboy of some steel...
 
murat1983 said:
I did not say that competition choppers should be made in MC. Can you even read?

I mentioned competitions because the knives there are thin and hard. But they need to be tough at that hardness (i.e. high edge stability) so they do not get chipped. They also need to be hard, so the thin edge could be supported and it does not get rolled. And when this is the case, they will have superior cutting performance.

And since 3V do not have that high toughness at high hardness (I feel like I am repeating myself too much at this point) it is not a preferred steel for competitions.

According to Dr Larin (the creator of MC). MC is a stainless 4V, so if we believe that there is no reason to not to make competition choppers from MC. But what is the point? Do we need stainless properties in competition chopping? No.. So no need for MC competition knife. And MC steel is new and there is data and a few maker telling that MC is stainless 4V, but personally I want to see more evidence to get convinced. But that is not the point...
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Larrin claimed that MC was like a stainless 4V.

Nate's testing with both Larrin's recommended standard MC heat treat, and his own tweaked heat treat (that produced better results than the standard recommended MC heat treat) showed that while MC is a VERY good stainless steel, it DOES NOT match 4V's particular strengths.

Basically, you're making much ado about nothing, based on the little you've read. Almost every single post of yours that comes to mind, has been typical armchair SME ramblings about the little you've read about things, all the while ignoring actual testing and results.

So let's get a bit more specific;

What is it YOU plan on cutting, or using a knife for, that YOU believe you'll see a distinct advantage with Magnacut vs D3V, and what exactly is the advantage you think you'll see?

Not some theoretical mumbo jumbo you read somewhere of some theorized advantage. Real world use. What do you plan on cutting, that you think you're losing out with D3V over MC, and what specific advantage do you think MC would provide over D3V?
 
bluemax_1 said:
So let's get a bit more specific;

What is it YOU plan on cutting, or using a knife for, that YOU believe you'll see a distinct advantage with Magnacut vs D3V, and what exactly is the advantage you think you'll see?
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That’s what I was just thinking about. I can’t think of anything I’d use my DEK3 for that would really push the edge stability. It’s a thin knife and will be used carefully.

It is the thinnest CPK I’ve ever had though, so I am looking forward to seeing how it does in things like deer processing for example. A little clanking in bone maybe, but I’ll still be pretty careful with it.
 
mb> said:
That’s what I was just thinking about. I can’t think of anything I’d use my DEK3 for that would really push the edge stability. It’s a thin knife and will be used carefully.

It is the thinnest CPK I’ve ever had though, so I am looking forward to seeing how it does in things like deer processing for example. A little clanking in bone maybe, but I’ll still be pretty careful with it.
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1/8" isn't really that thin, Especially with super steels.

You shouldn't have to be That careful. I wouldn't worry too much.
 
murat1983 said:
That's all from me. I do not want to spend my time anymore on this non-sense.

Ps. If I was believing that 3V would be absolute sh#t on DEK3, I would not buy one... But if I had options to choose I would buy DEK3 in AEBL followed by MC and then in 3V.

Also Casinostocks Casinostocks I am not the one who is being a fanboy here. It is you and people like you who are not open to hear other's opinion and when someone states something against your beliefs you act like zealots. Making you the largest fanboy of 3V. Personally I have higher ambitions than being a fanboy of some steel...
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Are you always this needlessly hostile? Asking for a friend.
 
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