Bivvy Wear™ jacket & pants - Any experience with them?

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Has anyone used the Bivvy Wear jacket, pants, or hood??? Brigade Quartermaster has them on sale just now and I'm wondering how good they are.

To me the small packed size makes the Bivvy Wear items interesting. I'm contemplating a clothing system of polypro longjohns & top for the "next to my skin" layer and Bivvy Wear as a warmth layer. With the addition of a foam pad & Goretex bivy bag, I'm thinking I may get away with eliminating a sleeping bag for outings in temperate Washington state.
 
Sounds like you and I have been thinking in the same lines lately. My thoughts: The bivy wear may get you by along with the polypro and goretex bag. But I don't think you would want to be active in it. I have found that even on cold days here in NC, the polypro underwear can be hot when I'm walking around. By time you take the underwear and bivy suit and put those in a pack you are about the same size as a sleeping bag. I think the bag would be more useful.
What I just did this past week was ordered the 3 bag military system. With the bivy bag and two sleeping bags (along with compression bag), I can match what I need depending on the weather at the time. Ebay had them right at $200 and they should last for as much camping I have left in me.
Now the bivy wear looks to be just the thing for sitting on a deer stand. If you try it out, let me know what you think.
 
Terrill, Thanks for your input on the Bivvy Wear. I ordered a set before posting here to see if anyone else already used them. Hopefully they'll be here soon. I'll test them as a surrogate sleeping bag out on the deck some night after they arrive and post the results here.
 
The jacket and trousers arrived on the front porch this morning, so I put them on and took our dog out for an after-breakfast walk to see how the garments work.

Conditions
- Both jacket and trousers are size Medium.
- I'm 5'5" tall and weigh 165 lbs with a 35" waist (i.e. got some love handles over my hips that need working on ;) )
- Walking surface: paved streets, no elevation change to mention, walked about half mile in both shade and sunshine.
- Starting Temp: ~43 degrees F
- Ending Temp: ~48 degrees F
- Wind: extremely light breeze, long-bladed grass & very tips of cedar fronds just barely moving
- Very hard bright sunshine, no clouds, no haze
- Overnight frost still on grass & foliage in places where the sun had not yet shone
- Day would pass for a "brisk fall day" in much of the USA

Fit & Feel
- Overall cut of jacket & trousers is loose & roomy.
- Coverage when wearing both garments is excellent with lots of overlap from below my butt to nearly diaphram level.
- High-count nylon ripstop material is smooth and silky feeling.
- You get the usual insulated nylon thermal-response from the material: a brief initial chilly feeling on contact followed by deepening warmth.

*** Jacket ***
- Jacket simply feels a bit large, which is expected in bivouac wear.
- The sleeves are long enough to be noticable.

*** Trousers ***
- The shell being nylon it created a static clingy feel on the lower legs of the pants as I walked outside. The jacket didn't make a noticable impression in this way. The clinginess seems to be a lot less now that I've worn them for an hour & am inside the house. However, when I move the fabric around on my legs, the clinginess returns.
- The trousers are built seriously long for my size. The one good thing being that the long pant legs (34" inseam, my inseam = 29-30") allow me to pull my feet inside the legs for bivy purposes. However, the overall blousiness (is that a word?) of the pant legs coupled with that long length means I wind up with a fair amount of the pant leg material crumpled & sagged down around my ankles. The material being extremely lightweight & not terribly bulky, it could be worse, but is still noticable.
- Trousers have a drop (waist to bottom of crotch measurement) of 16", which is huge on my frame. When the waist of the pants is at my waist, the bottom of the trouser crotch is swinging around half-way between my crotch and my knees, which restricts walking.
- The waist on the trousers feels a bit snug. This is especially true when I yard up the suspenders enough to raise the pant crotch to match my crotch and make walking easier, which places the pant waist nearly at my diaphram.

Adjustments, Controls, & Construction
- THROUGH-STITCHING OF INSULATION MATERIAL ONLY AT THE SEAMS! ! ! ! Hell yes I'm excited that they didn't put cosmetic stitching in the garments to make it "look like goose down". For those who wonder why this is a big deal, go read the info found at http://www.wiggys.com about layering vs baffling. This lack of seams should make the garments shed wind very well.
- Overall a bit of a flimsy feel & look to the garments. Seems like lots of the seams are single-stitched where I would like to see them double-stitched for a bit of durability. I suspect some of my feeling about the "flimsy" part is due to the minimal-density materials they put into the garments to make them lightweight & compressible. Time will tell on the durability of these garments.
- There were a few threads looping about inside the pockets that needed to be trimmed.
- Relatively bright OD color, a couple shades toward kelly green from matte USGI OD. This will hopefully dull off a bit with wear & washings.

*** Jacket ***
- Quite long. :D Natural location of hem is about 12" below my waist. It's long enough that when I sit down the contact points of my butt are covered (i.e. the bottom points of my pelvic bone).
- Sleeves are a bit long (a very good thing) for my relatively short arms (16" sleeve IIRC). I can very easily pull my hands inside the sleeves, then place one sleeve inside the other to make a double-thickness muff for my hands.
- Elastic wrists which are a bit large for my skinny wrists with not a lot of stretch in the elastic :( and there is no adjustment mechanism. :mad: I would have preferred gusseted velcro tabbed wrists. Yeah, that would have made the muff trick harder, but adjusting is more frequently needed.
- Angel-wing arms allow decent range of motion. Arms extended straight out yields acceptable riding up of bottom hem, a couple of inches. Arms raise over head rides the hem up almost up to my waist.
- Lightweight YKK toothed zipper up front of jacket. Decently large pull-tab on it with hole big enough to thread paracord through the hole.
- Front zipper on jacket is backwards for US men's clothing (i.e. slider is on left side track of zipper, like a US women's garment). May be that these were designed by a country where they make zippers that way (Britain maybe?).
- Nice stiff draft flap behind front jacket zipper to reduce wind intrusion through the zipper teeth. :) Unfortunately, it covers from the bottom hem only to the base of my neck. This exposes the teeth of the zipper to chew at my neck & chin if I fold over the collar over. If I stand the collar up to block wind, the gap at the top of the draft flap allows wind intrusion near the arteries in your neck, allowing rapid loss of heat.
- Jacket collar could be taller IMHO. It is not tall enough to cover my ears and leaves much of the back of my head exposed. Maybe they assume you will buy their Bivvy Wear hood to go with the jacket, which I intend to do since I generally like the jacket & pants quite a bit.
- Thin-toothed nylon coil zippers close the outside angled hand-warmer pockets and large inside security pocket. Small pull-tabs on these could be a problem with very cold fingers.
- Inside security pocket dimensions: 7-3/4" deep, 7" zipper opening at the top. That puppy is BIG!!
- Outside handwarmer pockets: ~6" at rear (bottom of zipper track), 14" at front. I stuck a 12" combination square vertically at the front of the pocket (next to front zipper seam) and it fit with room for three of my skinny fingers above the end of the ruler part of the square = about 14".
- The overlapping flap on the outside angled pockets is attached to the bottom part of the zipper and faces up/rearward. Good points: It shingles off branches sliding along the fronts of the jacket & keeps them from snagging on the pocket or the flap itself. It also makes inserting your hand into the pocket easier since the flap serves to "scoop" your hand right into the pocket. Bad point: It also scoops any water rolling down from above (condensation off of trees, rain or drizzle, etc) right into the pocket as well.
- Left-hand pocket is set in jacket in such a way that the slider at bottom of the zipper track chewed at the outside of my wrist as I walked with hands in pockets. If I pulled the jacket sleeve down far enough over my wrist it did not do this. Right pocket gave no problems this way. Both pocket bottoms measure 6" up from hem. The left pocket's location seems to be set closer to the front zipper than the right pocket. It might also be coupled with a slightly different zipper angle as well. It's mildly annoying, but not life-threatening. In the woods I would be less inclined to walk with my hands in my pockets, to keep them handy for stumble recovery operations.

*** Trousers ***
- Fully elasticized waist closes with velcro tab. No manual adjust tabs.
- Given the snugness I find in the waist of the pants, I'd like to have seen a half-elastic waist with adjustment tabs. My guess is that they didn't do tabs because the traditional location for adjustment tabs is on the sides, where they would dig into you if you sleep on your side while bivying.
- Suspenders on trousers are made of lightweight 1-5/8" wide nylon webbing. Webbing does not have a lot of lateral stiffness. That's good for comfort in that the edge of the suspenders will be less inclined to cut into the side of your neck. That's bad because it allows the webbing to twist around itself in the slider buckle when you're tightening up the suspender straps. (Already happened once.)
- Suspenders have Fastex quick-release buckles at the front waist of pants for quickly dropping pants if the suspenders are under other layers of clothes like a jacket/parka. Very handy feature if you get diarrhea out in the woods. Back of suspenders are sewn into the waist.
- Crossing point of suspenders in back is sewn, not allowing any sliding or adjusting. I may rip out those seams & put in a 4-slot slider. It'll depend on long-term comfort or aggravation with it as it is now.
- Leg zips on outside of legs reach from my ankle to about mid-thigh. There is not draft flap behind the leg zips. Nonetheless, the zips did not chew at my legs during the short walk and were not noticibly leaking cold or wind.
- Zippers on the outside of the leg means that I cannot zip the legs together along the inseam to form a "half bag" for my legs, which is traditional treatment for bivy pants. That allows your legs to heat each other and makes more efficient use of the warm blood the body is sending into the legs.
- Like the jacket's wrists, the ankles on the pants are a bit large for me and are elasticized without any adjusting capability.

Bivy Functionality
- Overall I expect it will be quite good. In the crisp weather this morning it kept me plenty warm with very moderate movement, i.e. strolling not striding. I will test the garments in a bivy bag tonight (low- to mid-30's temps expected)
- Movement isn't necessarily needed to warm this material up. When I stood still in the sunshine, I could REALLY feel the radiant heat from the sunshine accumulating quickly in the garments.
 
I found the Bivvy Wear jacket & pants worked okay, but not great, as surrogate sleeping bag inside a Goretex bivy bag. By this morning I was feeling kind of chilled. Air temperature was 37 degrees F during the night according to the thermometer sticking out from the wall of the house. I slept on a reclined chaise lounge chair with a closed cell foam pad laid on top of it and wore a polarfleece watch cap to keep my head warm. So I think Bivvy Wear garments have value as a compressible means to at least stay alive, if not totally comfortable, in a bivy situation. Not sure how effective they would be in temps very far below freezing. My experience with them last night isn't out of line with the stated purpose for them, which is as a supplement to some other sleep system.
 
Air temperature was 37 degrees F during the night
I believe the temp last night was lower than the 37 degrees the thermometer read. I suspect the thermometer's proximity to the house wall skews its readings. The reason I think the temp was lower is that around 2:30 p.m. (air temp about 50 degrees F) I found slabs of ice still on the flat roof of my garage where the sun doesn't shine. So I think the overnight temp was low-30's degrees F, at least cold enough to freeze water.

So the jacket & pants leaving me a bit chilled as my sole insulation at those temps is an expected result.
 
If nothing else you know that it's always better to test gear out before you really need it. Sounds af if the bivy wear and a bag would have been perfect.
 
Bivy Wear was the best purchase I made last year. Instead of packing polypro that sticks and is not very comfortable after multiple washes. My bivy wear has stacked up to the abuse that I can give it when my unit is in the feild. I leave my poncho liner, polypro and 3 bag system at home and replace them with a silk first layer, bivy wear and a merlin softie 3. Saves 4 lbs+ and I can carry an Assauslt ruck instead of a large alice with room to spare. As for the comfort, I have been in below freezing temps with no problems. Another trick to add warmth is to wear smart wool socks and/or throw a foot warmer in to the bottom of the bag and keep a "space blanket bag just incase you get caught in an extreem situation. Good luck with your purchase.

AIRBORNE!
 
Okay, I've had the jacket/pants combo for almost a month-and-a-half now. In that time, the jacket has seen virtually non-stop daily wear and the pants got worn for about 10 days. The hood got tried on long enough to determine its fit is okay, but the geek factor keeps it off the daily wear list. I'm half tempted to get a spare Bivvy Wear jacket from Brigade Quartermaster while they're still on sale, in case I ever wear this one out. I find it that comfortable and useful. I'm still peripherally worried about long-term durability of the very lightweight fabric & stuffing material of these garments. So far though, it's been good.

What impresses me about these garments is their performance in our damp raw winter rainy weather. The very fine-threaded 100% nylon ripstop material of the outer shell & inner lining on the jacket stops wind RIGHT NOW. The hood may pose wind problems due to the velcro'ed earflaps don't seal all that closely to the side of the hood. Also, there's no cinch-up mechanism for the face opening, which precludes tightening up that aperature to help seal out wind.

The rather slick surface of the ripstop material also beads up and sheds misty drizzling rain quite well. My guess is that it has one of those water-repelling coatings (DWR?) on it. The non-quilted stuffing is DuPont Thermolite Micro 100% polyester insulation. I find the jacket's comfort range easily covers everything from lounging around inside the house at 68-70 degrees F to half-hour strolls outside at just below freezing temps.

IMHO, the jacket is turning out to be $57 very well spent and the pants & hood just need more specific circumstances (and lower fashion threshold on my part ;) ) to get the use they deserve. :D :D
 
I finally found a flaw (expected) with the material used in the Bivvy Wear clothes.

We had a power outage a couple weeks ago and I used my old Coleman Peak 1 white gas stove to heat our dinner. I was wearing the Bivvy Wear jacket, which was doing a very nice job of keeping me roasty-toasty warm with the heat off in the house. As I was carrying the extinguished but still-hot stove into the house, I happened to brush the windscreen of the stove with the outer fabric of the Bivvy Wear jacket. That light brief touch of the hot metal melted a hole about 2" x 1/2" in the front of the jacket. :mad: :mad: It melted the extremely fine nylon ripstop outer fabric, but not the white inner DuPont Thermolite insulation batting, so I assume it was a very brief meeting of metal and jacket.

Outside of this single (user-induced :rolleyes: ) failure, the Bivvy Wear is still proving to be a very effective, low-cost, wind-stopping warmth layer. My initial concerns about the durability of the fabric and the construction methods/materials continue to be without foundation in my day-to-day wear of the jacket. I'm tempted to get a spare jacket from Brigade Quartermaster to have when this one eventually wears out, even though I'm still unemployed. I like the jacket THAT MUCH for its comfort and warmth.
 
Okay, I've had the Bivvy Wear jacket, pants, and hood for two years now. In spite of seeing regular wear around the house & on the town and being laundered about once a month or so during late-fall, winter, early-spring seasons, the jacket is still going strong.

The jacket is still one of the two jackets I consistently use for the raw, wet, windy winter weather that is typical here in the NW states. Interestingly, both of my winter jackets are insulated with Dupont Thermolite inside a fine-denier nylon shell. One is the Bivvy Wear jacket and the other is a Cabela's hooded jacket I got on sale last year.

As noted above the Bivvy Wear pants & hood don't see much (any?) use compared to the jacket. The blousiness of the pants keeps them on the shelf while my more-trim polar fleece pants get the call to duty for in-town or car camping wear. I find that the Bivvy Wear pants lose out to even the added inconvenience of adding a rainpant over the polar fleece bottoms for wet or windy conditions. However, when loading a pack, the Bivvy Wear pants' lighter weight and greater compressibility compared to the polar fleece bottoms bring them into their own.

Bottom line: I continue to find the Bivvy Wear gear, particularly the jacket, to be very good "bang for the buck" items that perform well.
 
I had bought one of the "jackets" a bit more than one year back.., and bought a second jacket a couple months later.

They're really light, keeps my butt warm ;) , and I can use a slow walk my dogs in low teens (my dogs want to stop every few feet, peeing or smelling or looking), in the morning, and be very comfortable..., although last Sunday it was 10 degrees, with wind 30-40 mph, and got a little cold (I use pants and t-shirt, with no hat)

Anyway, pretty inexpensive cost for a pretty warm jacket.
 
Are these the same jackets they sell now?
No one seem to have anything but the jacket now.
Cannot find the hood or paints.
 
jamesraykenney said:
Are these the same jackets they sell now? No one seem to have anything but the jacket now. Cannot find the hood or paints.
Correct. Brigade Quartermaster only has the Bivvy Wear jacket now and it is reversible (black-OD or black-camo).
 
After about 14 years of service, the Bivvy Wear jacket continues to be my go-to jacket, including a recent spate of -30 F (that's minus thirty degrees F!!) weather in the midwest. It did a marvelous job shedding wind & keeping me reasonably warm. The jacket now has a few more worn spots on it. Some of the seams look like they are finally getting stressed enough from all the weartime and laundering to start letting go, although they are still intact. The overall integrity & durability of the jacket have proven to be extraordinary, in spite of the very light weight materials used in its construction. This has easily proven to be one of the best clothing investments I've ever made.

Unfortunately, the Bivvy Wear series is no longer on the market that I could find. The closest available jacket is, I think, the Snugpak Sleeka jackets. One added feature of the Sleeka jackets is their reversibility, which my old Bivvy Wear jacket lacks.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/snugpak-sleekaelite-rev.html

Does anyone else have field experiences with either the Bivvy Wear or Snugpak Sleeka wear?
 
I queried Snugpak re: their Sleeka jackets. The insulation they use is a chopped fiber batting. So the Sleeka jackets would not be a straight-across replacement for my old Bivvy Wear jacket. The BW jacket obviously uses a continuous thread batting since there are no seams or other supportive stitching, either on the inside or the outside shell, between the shoulder seam and the hem of the jacket. This lack of stitching, coupled with the extremely fine denier nylon outer shell material, is what makes the old Bivvy Wear jacket so impervious to wind. I emailed Invictus, the current manufacturer of Thermolite (which is what is used in the old BW jacket), to find out if Thermolite is a continuous thread insulation, as I suspect it is. I haven't heard back from them yet after a week or so since I queried them. If Thermolite is a continuous thead batting, then Thermolite jackets are on the radar as a replacement option. Another option is Climashield, which is also a continuous thread batting.
 
I have the Sleeka and like it a lot.
Ive had it for years, used it at night in the desert and it has kept up well. Mine is the reversible OD/khaki one.
These days it has been relegated to emergency use in the trunk, as I wear a Buffalo Mountain Shirt for outdoor/camping use.
The Buffalo shirts are very nice and I heartedly recommend them.
The Sleeka is perfectly fine and Ive worn it a lot for years - I just prefer the Buffalo.
 
Wiggy's uses continuous fiber called lamilite. I have several of their products and have been quite pleased. They also have various thicknesses to accommodate layering options.
The sweater jacket goes with me on all my Alaska hunts. Great piece of gear.
Good luck in your quest
 
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