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Good lord. Some people are a little SENSITVE. The guy had a simple question. All this freaky "racism" talk smacks of someone with a big old chip on his shoulder. Let's all relax and stop looking for trouble where there is none.

Duh.
 
Quiet Priest-

In your last post, you say...

I wanted to know if there were any minority knife makers in America
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When in fact, you asked...

Does anyone know of any Black/African American knfemakers either contemporaries or from the past.
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Are you really interested in Native American Makers? Or other minorities?

You see, the most interesting part is this, never, not once, have I ever read a post in this Forum, or any Forum, where someone asked for a racial roll-call. Until your post. Interesting.
 
I agree that Quiet Priest asked a simple question that had no negative implications for anyone. Look at it this way, I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash if he had asked does anyone know about knife makers from Georgia or Minnesota. No one would have cared if he had asked does anyone know of Japanese, German, or Cuban American knife makers. Asking about black knife makers is no more or less than any of the hypothetical questions just posed. As I said earlier, knife nuts should be happy at the level of diversity and should be working to encourage it.
 
Marion David Poff, none of us has to be interested in anything except what interests us. If he asked about African American knifemakers and not Native American or Turkish knife makers, so what?
 
What the hell is going on with these forums lately? The guy asked a simple, and interesting question. Maybe he was just trying to gain a little insight, is there anything wrong with that?

Then some members treat the question like it was racially motivated. You have got to be kidding me :( Would you have treated the question the same if he wanted to know about female makers or American Indian makers?

I don't see anything wrong at all with the fact that maybe some collectors want to just buy knives from certain race, sex, belief makers. Just like some collectors only buy autos' folders, fixed, stag, etc., etc. That is their business, and I don't think for one second that that was the reason behind the original question anyway.

I have talked to and admired the work of both JD Smith and Paul Jarvis and would love to own either makers work. J.D. is a highly skilled craftsman and Paul makes incredible art pieces and Butterflies.

I think it is time for a little reality check for some members. This place is rapidly going downhill.:mad:
 
Originally posted by Jailhack
Then some members treat the question like it was racially motivated.
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Umm, I'm not sure if you caught this, but his question pertained directly to race. Are you saying it wasn't, in one way or another, racially motivated? Nobody called him a racist, but his question does pertain to race.
I don't see anything wrong at all with the fact that maybe some collectors want to just buy knives from certain race, sex, belief makers.
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So if someone posts in this thread that they will never buy a knife from a black knifemaker, and they will only support white knifemakers, you'd have no problem with that? Because that's what you just said.
I have talked to and admired the work of both JD Smith and Paul Jarvis and would love to own either makers work. J.D. is a highly skilled craftsman and Paul makes incredible art pieces and Butterflies.
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Exactly. Very well put. So tell me again why I should care what color their skin is?
 
Why should color have to do with anything? If I was a white man born in Japan, and made knives in a japanese style, and considered myself to be Japanese (since I was born and live in the country) would my knives be of any less importance because I was white? I can be any color, live in any country, and make knives the reflect that countrys culture. Color makes no difference.

I don't however feel the post was intended in a racist manner, just one out of curiosity as to where the black knifemakers were. Personally I'd never heard of any black knifemakers because I don't care what color anyone is. Be the maker a black American, a brown Mmexican, a red Indian, a white Irishman, or any other sterotypical colored/race. All I care is how the knife is made. I own many custom knives and I don't know what the maker looks like, nor is it of any importance to me.

This post has quickly changed directions and is starting to look like something you'd find in the political forum.

And from what I've seen, there is no noticible difference between a black makers work and a white makers work. Without knowing anything about the maker, I can't look at the knife and say "Well, this knife was made by a black man."
 
Yes the man asked a question based on color. So what? Noticing a person's color is neither good or bad. You notice color yourself whether you admit it or not. It is there just like clouds in the sky or grass on the ground. Noticing race is not evil or good, what you do when you notice it determines what kind of person you are. As for someone who would buy a black person's knife, so what? Do black people have to hide because of some jerk's hangups? I am black and if someone does not want to do business with me I do not care. I concentrate on positive people.
 
I'm not going to post further in this thread as I feel the topic has shifted to something not suited for the General Forum. If anyone feels the need to set me straight on this please attempt to do so in the Political Forum.
 
I'll go on record and say that I coundn't care less if the guy was 3 feet tall green and had antennas. All I want to know is whether he can make a good knife. This industry is about as democratic as any can be. It's an open ended cottage industry, and anyone who wants to hang a shingle is welcomed with open arms, the more so if they can make an outstanding knife.

Yet, is it any less racist to look for a specific minority, than it is to look to avoid them? Race has not played into this business so far, we should all do our best to keep it that way. By all means if anyone feels oppressed anywhere else, then be assured you are welcomed here; but, join as a knife maker, dealer, or collector, and not as a member of a minority.

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I'm going to lock this one down. If someone wants to know about minority knifemakers, they can open another thread. Next time, please phrase it more clearly so that true intent can be easily discerned, without any mistaken assumptions.

Kevin
 
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