BlackJack Small Comparison

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I picked up a BlackJack Small with Kraton handle at the Blade Show from Ken Warner's BlackJack table - they were priced at $33 - this ia s pretty good price for a well designed knife with a full convexed edge.

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As some may know I was very impressed with the Colobolo handled stainless steel BlackJack Small I bought from Ken Warner also at a Blade Show 2 years ago - this has become one of my favorite fixed blades

Please see BlackJack "Small" select Cocobolo stainless.

So I compared them -

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The Kraton Small is made in China with 8CR13 (some Chinese stainless steel), and comes with a nylon sheath

The Cocobolo is made in Seki, Japan with AUS10, and comes with a leather sheath.

The Cocobolo is pretty - I actually selected it out of several -

What other differences are there?

Hard to see from just photos -
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Kraton upper, Cocobolo lower.

The Cocobolo Small is much thinner toward the edge than the Kraton -
they are both, strictly speaking, flat ground with continuous convex bevel edge.

The continuous convex "bevel" is much narrower on the cocobolo as can be seen in the photo - showing that it is much thinner toward the edge than the Kraton.

What does this mean - since both edges are full convex?

The ability to cut through is affected. The thinner edge should cut through better as shown in my ad-hoc cutting of corrugated cardboard -

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This is only a casual and informal test, and not that well controlled.
I merely did two pairs of cuts - trying to cut the same way with both knives.
As can be seen, I was not that consistent between the the two separate pairs - but in both cases the depth cut by the cocobolo Small with significantly better than the Kraton. I could actually feel the difference.

So my Kraton Small is not as good as my Cocobolo Small.

I consider my BlackJack cocobolo Small one of the best fixed blades I have
- whereas the Kraton Small is good value and merely a good "knock-about" knife.

My understanding is that BlackJack is moving their production for their "Performance" blade line to China
(EDIT - to clarify it is only the Performance Blade line to be moved to China)
which means that the Seki, Japan made Smalls are only available for the remaining stocks.
This could be important for some -
it certainly is to me........

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I had read that Mike Stewart of Bark river knives makes the "Blackjack classics" for the present owners of the" Blackjack" name.These are supposed to be in 1095 steel.Are these also made in China?.
 
I had read that Mike Stewart of Bark river knives makes the "Blackjack classics" for the present owners of the" Blackjack" name.These are supposed to be in 1095 steel.Are these also made in China?.

Sorry, I was not clear -

No, the more "premium" lines of Classic blade will not be made in China -

I think Ken told me it was their "Performance" line (eg: with molded grips, like Kraton etc) are going to be all made in China.

Of course there is nothing inherently wrong with that -
China is now quite capable of producing quality stuff -
it's just that in this comparsion of my samples of one each -
the Seki, Japan made cocobolo Small was just so much better than the China made Kraton Small in blade geometry.

I could not fault anything else in the Chinese made knife, and still regard it as very good value for money -
now, of course IF it had the same blade geometry as the cocobolo Small -
I'd be shouting its praises from the rooftops....
(ok, may not as drastic as that :p )

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Good comparision, Vincent ! What are the blade thickness at the spine of the two models, if I might ask.

Are you still enjoying the Cocobolo model .....is it mainly for dressing game and such ?

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What are the blade thickness at the spine of the two models, if I might ask.

Thanks for the kind words.

They look to be the same stock thickness.

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There is a slight trick to the photo - the Kraton Small may on first sight look thicker - but its upper "false edge" is just not ground back as far/much as the cocobolo Small.

Are you still enjoying the Cocobolo model .....is it mainly for dressing game and such ?

The BJ cocobolo Small is simply one of my favorite fixed blades -
but I consider myself a "lite" user - I don't hunt regularly, so there isn't much opportunity for dressing small game etc.

Cutting is mostly whatever I have around the house, along with "silly" ad-hoc type testing :o .

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I recently acquired a Blackjack small in cocobolo, and agree it's a beautiful knife, for a great price. AUS-10 and built in Seki-Japan, only add to the nice specs on this knife.

Your more in-depth review of it is really nice, I've looked @ it several times since learning of this knife.

I haven't put mine through much work, have only cut a few things, including some chicken thighs in the kitchen.

Thanks for comparing it to the Kraton version, I had wondered about that.
 
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