Blade etching Question

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Ok, I have been doing some reading on this board about Ferric Chloride etching and the more I read the more confused I get. I just completed a knife build for myself, and before attaching the handles I had etched the blade. I was less than thrilled with the results.

Let me tell you what I did.

1. I cleaned the blade with acetone and only handled with latex gloves.
2. I opened up a brand new bottle of ferric chloride and poured about half of it in a glass container.
3. I put the blade in the glass container completely submerging to the tang.
4. I let it etch for 5 minutes and removed.
5. I took it out and cleaned washed it with hot water, and lightly sanded with 600 grit sandpaper (which took it back down to bare metal instantly).
6. So I cleaned it back up and dropped it in the solution for 5 minutes.
7. I pulled it back out and washed with hot water and skipped the sandpaper step.
8. I applied my makers mark and submerged in the etchant solution again for 30-40 minutes.
9. I removed, neutralized, and polished with Flitz metal polish.

This is the finish I got when I was done.

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It is a dull light gray color. I decided to live with it at first but when shaping the handle, I inadvertently got into the spine and took a small section of etch off of the blade. So now I am faced with having to fix that spot by taping off that area and applying etchant with a Q Tip and blending, or sanding the blade back down to 600 and re-etching the entire thing. I am thinking about the latter since I originally wanted a darker finish on the blade. Here is the finish I envisioned on this blade to begin with.

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So...... now that you've see what I am trying to accomplish and assuming I sand her back down and re-etch how do I need to approach it? I've read multiple threads with people saying they cut the acid with distilled water 50/50, and some saying they use straight acid. I've also had a couple of makers tell me to heat the etchant in some warm to hot water by putting it in a mason jar and dropping it in a pot of hot water (like one would warm up a baby bottle). I've been told the water/FC mixture will etch darker, and I've been told that warming it up significantly will make it etch faster and darker. Also keep in mind that I etched for 40 minutes last time. If I do any of those things to improve the etch, will I need to cut down my etch time? I don't want to burn the blade up, especially now that is has a $75 piece of presentation grade Kao attached to it.


Any help will be appreciated.
 
Cut your FC 3:1 with distilled water.

We need the steel type and hardening parameters to know more.
 
Something I just learned yesterday at Dave Lisch's shop...if you forged the blade closely to shape, and didn't grind much, there will be a layer of de-carb which won't etch and give a good contrast.
 
FC 3:1 seems to work well for me
just dipped about 4 seconds

I've never heard of a long dip time time for FC

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When I'm trying to etch for a subdued grey finish this is what I do:

Sand blade to clean 600 grit
FC mixed with water 3-1 at room temp
Clean blade with alcohol (acetone leaves a residue)
Dip the blade and agitate in the FC for 20 seconds
Pull the blade and scrub clean with fine steel wool, then wipe with clean paper towel
Dip the blade and agitate for 20 seconds
Pull and scrub clean again with steel wool, wipe with clean paper towel
Dip another 20 seconds, pull and rinse in water, rinse with Windex, maybe work lightly with steel wool to lose any of the looser oxides, otherwise oil and wipe clean with paper towel.


No sanding. No heat. No 30 minute soaks.

If you want a darker, just don't use the steel wool. Use only a paper towel in between.
 
Thanks for all of the help fellas, it is much appreciated. So let me tell you about last night project. I had etched the blade on the first go around and got the silver finish you see in the above pics, which I was not happy with. Because I got into the spine while shaping the handle and messed up the etch anyway I took you guys advice and decided to redo the blade. When I got home last night I went to the shop and sanded down the blade to 600. It took a little work but I finally got the old makers mark sanded down. I took my Ferric Chloride in the house and put it in a mason jar and then put the jar in a boiler on the stove with some steaming hot water. I warmed the FC up for a few minutes and pulled it and headed to the shop. I could tell it was good and warm. So I took my little etching glass and put maybe 2-3 ounces of distilled water in it and added the FC. I dunked the blade and counted to 20 and removed it. I could tell right away it was etching strong. I neutralized it and cleaned all the black off. I then put my makers mark on the blade and back in the FC it went. I pulled, neutralized, and cleaned after 2 and a half minutes and the back in the FC for another 3 minutes. When I pulled it out the second time it was black. I'm not looking for jet black so I decided to end the process there. I sprayed her down with windex and cleaned off the black gunk. I scrubbed it with hot soapy water and then hit it lightly with some soft cloth and some Flits and it turned out nice I think.

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That does look nice sir! Good learning process--I will make not of it--thanks for the post!
 
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