Blade length request for Sal

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Hiya Sal, would it be possible on future designs to incorporate just a tad shorter blade lengths for legal reasons. For example, here in the People's Republic Of Kalifornia most places have a 3" blade length limit. Would it be possible for some more knives to have the 2 9/10s or 2 15/16s blade lengths? I would be able to enjoy a great number more of your great knives. Thanks! :D
 
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Hiya Sal, would it be possible on future designs to incorporate just a tad shorter blade lengths for legal reasons. For example, here in the People's Republic Of Kalifornia most places have a 3" blade length limit. Would it be possible for some more knives to have the 2 9/10s or 2 15/16s blade lengths? I would be able to enjoy a great number more of your great knives. Thanks! :D
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Check out the new Native IV. Neat knife, and the blade is 2 15/16".

Since some laws specify "n inches or less" and others "under n inches" for legal carry, it would seem to make more sense to design blades a hair under the common legal limits, rather than dead on or a hair over one of them. Of course there's always the option of grinding your knife's blade down a bit, but that's not within everyone's abilities.

Paul
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Hi AARP,

I would say that most of our knives are designed with blade length legal limits in mind, and have been since our first design in 1981.

We generally keep just under 3.0" blade length for all of the knives in that category. We occasionally go over (eg: Paramilitary) because the design requirement had a higher value need than the legal size laws.

Legal blade length requirements are usually: under 4.0" (eg: New York), under 3.5" (eg: Denver), under 2.5" (eg: Boston), under 2.0" (eg: many federal bldgs). We will usually keep our designs just under those lengths.

BTW, breaking the length limit law moves the knife from a dangerous weapon category to a deadly weapon category, which adds 5 years to the jail sentence.

We have two new carbon Fiber Walker linerlock models in-the-works that are just under 2.5" and just under 2.0" to meet specific urban blade length requirements. We also make a few non-locking folders for the same reasons.

There are many people that are under these restrictions, but would still like to carry a nice, but functional performer as an EDC.

sal
 
Where in CA are you? The state law doesn't state a length on blade limits; the only restrictions are going to be local ordinances (places like LA and berzerkeley).
 
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Where in CA are you? The state law doesn't state a length on blade limits; the only restrictions are going to be local ordinances (places like LA and berzerkeley).
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Actually I meant county ordinances like LA. I'm right on the border of Orange and LA. The county ordinance in LA is 3" is illegal. Orange County as far as I know doesn't have a blade length limit.

Thanks for your reply Sal. It really shows a lot about a company when the owner shows concern for your questions instead of only caring about the annual profits.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi AARP,


We have two new carbon Fiber Walker linerlock models in-the-works that are just under 2.5" and just under 2.0" to meet specific urban blade length requirements.



sal
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WhooHoo! I tend towards small pocket knives and I'm looking forward to the G-10 Dragonfly and these two Carbon Fiber Walker linerlocks!
 
Hi AARP,

Thanx for the compliment.

The entire "business chain" from; raw materials, invention, design, manufacturing, marketing, selling, distributing, shipping, warrantees, insurance, credit, etc. ALL EXISTS to service the ELU (End Line User). Remove the ELU from the equation and the entire business chain falls like a house of cards. We all work for you!

sal
 
Sal- are either of the Walker locks, M. Walker designs? I like my old Walker lightweight and would love to see a more modern version.
 
For those who care, this is the actual municipal code for Los Angeles country regarding knives. Unless I missed something in my search, as far as I know, this is all the municipal code for Los Angeles county has to say about knives:

SEC. 55.10. CARRY KNIVES OR DAGGERS IN PLAIN VIEW PROHIBITED.

(Added by Ord. No. 162,995, Eff. 1/7/88.)

(a) As used in this section, the term “knife” or “dagger” shall include any knife, dirk or dagger having a blade 3 inches or more in length, any ice pick or similar sharp tool, any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle.

(b) No person shall wear or carry in plain view any knife or dagger upon any public street or other public place or in any place open to the public.

(c) The prohibitions of this section shall not apply where a person is wearing or carrying a knife or dagger for use in a lawful occupation, for lawful recreational purposes, or as a recognized religious practice, or while the person is traveling to or returning from participation in such activity.

This law only applies to knives carried in plain view, not for knives carried in your pocket. Also, if you have a good reason for that 6" fillet knife hanging from your belt (such as returning from a fishing trip), or that 3' sword (traveling to a Ren Fair) then you're ok.

Again, this is just Los Angeles County, and not the surrounding areas.

Source: http://www.amlegal.com/los_angeles_ca/
 
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that is the county code.

los angeles city has a municipal code as well, though they are virtually identical in this case.

county codes and municipal codes are different, and typically enforced by different agencies.

lapd works only in l.a. city, except areas that have their own pd. the sheriff's department (lasd) works areas outside city limits, but within l.a. county, that don't have their own municipal pd.

confused yet?
 
Why would they say that it CANNOT be in plain view? Isn't that telling people to conceal it? What's positive about that?
 
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Why would they say that it CANNOT be in plain view? Isn't that telling people to conceal it? What's positive about that?
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My guess is it's designed to target outlaw bikers. Bikers like to carry large knives openly. Gives the police leverage in dealing with them, etc. It's not designed to interfere with people who are just trying to live.
 
shangchi108 said:
My guess is it's designed to target outlaw bikers. Bikers like to carry large knives openly. Gives the police leverage in dealing with them, etc. It's not designed to interfere with people who are just trying to live.
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All anti gun/knife laws are designed to interfere with people who are just trying to live.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
All anti gun/knife laws are designed to interfere with people who are just trying to live.
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No argument there.

Still, unless one is willing to accept the potential consequences of civil disobedience, or move to a place where, at least for the moment, such laws do not exist, it does make sense to carry a knife that does not give Mr. Policeman a legitimate excuse to arrest you. Or, if you are going to go the civil disobedience route, figure you may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb and carry something well above the limit, not a hair over it.

Granted, if the knife is totally concealed, it's a non-issue as long as one does nothing to provoke a search.

Paul
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Even when I only carry a fairly small knife (2" to 3" blade), if it's a spyderco, it seems to behave like a larger knife. The width of the blades and the handle ergos are key. I have some old pocket knives with blades longer than, say, my Dragonfly's, but behave smaller in performance due to being more narrow. Even my old Ladybug is an awesome cutting instrument for almost any size.
Jim
 
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