Blade Lengths: Strengths and Weaknesses

Aw man Dog, that to me sounds like perfect territory to unleash the fury of a good ole' HI sword!! I know for sure I'd be goin at it with my Tibetan Short Sword, but unfortunately I don't know of any ragweed patches around me. Or maybe fortunately? I dunno how to look at that one
Oh dont get me wrong! I use my 25" siru on it as well. That lil demo was for another guy asking about the Chitlangi so I whacked it up and presented it to him. I like the long swords. Im pretty sure the falcata could do a number on it as well as any sword. It doesnt provide much resistance so you have to be careful on the follow through. Its starting to grow now and it looks plentiful. Maybe ill do a vid in later fall once it reaches max height. Im highly allergic to it so I wait till the flower buds fall off and die. A Tibetan long sword would even be fun :D
 
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I did forget to ask something. The Chitlangi in the 18" range do not come as thick and beefy as an AK do they? I definitely want something thinner and lighter than my CAK.
 
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I did forget to ask something. The Chitlangi in the 18" range do not come as thick and beefy as an AK do they? I definitely want something thinner and lighter than my CAK.

Probably not, but these Kamis can do just about anything.
 
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I did forget to ask something. The Chitlangi in the 18" range do not come as thick and beefy as an AK do they? I definitely want something thinner and lighter than my CAK.
Definitely lighter! No problem Jackal. Ask anything you need to know:thumbup: I noticed a few of them showing up in the deals of the day lately. I didnt know if you had picked up one yet. There was a blem for cheap that didnt have the Chak, Karda or sheath a few days ago but I think someone grabbed that one. Aunti Yangdu may have some in stock if you decide to get one.
 
Definitely lighter! No problem Jackal. Ask anything you need to know:thumbup: I noticed a few of them showing up in the deals of the day lately. I didnt know if you had picked up one yet. There was a blem for cheap that didnt have the Chak, Karda or sheath a few days ago but I think someone grabbed that one. Aunti Yangdu may have some in stock if you decide to get one.

Yeah, I saw them after someone had picked them up. It's fine though, since I'm still scraping together the money. Not only did my HIKV notice I had a bit more money, but so did my car. Anyway, I'm still bouncing back and forth between the Chitlangi and the Gelbu Special. But if the Chitlangi is more of a slicer (bites deeper), then that's what I'm looking for. The Gelbu just has a great profile.
 
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I did forget to ask something. The Chitlangi in the 18" range do not come as thick and beefy as an AK do they? I definitely want something thinner and lighter than my CAK.

Just got my 18" Chitlangi the other day, it weighs in at 22oz and bcuz of the balance feels a lot lighter than that. I don't think you'll be disappointed
 
Just got my 18" Chitlangi the other day, it weighs in at 22oz and bcuz of the balance feels a lot lighter than that. I don't think you'll be disappointed

Would you be willing to post some picks or do a review? If you have a CAK, I'd like to see a side by side photo to get a size reference.
 
Would you be willing to post some picks or do a review? If you have a CAK, I'd like to see a side by side photo to get a size reference.

Don't have a CAK, my only other kuks are an M43 and 2 KLVUKs. I would like to post some pics if I could just figure out how lol! Give your email and I can send them to you if that helps
 
Don't have a CAK, my only other kuks are an M43 and 2 KLVUKs. I would like to post some pics if I could just figure out how lol! Give your email and I can send them to you if that helps

It's no big deal. Thank you for the offer, but I don't want to put my email up publicly. Just answer me this: how much more hefty does the Chitlangi feel compared to a KLVUK? Thanks!
 
....Just answer me this: how much more hefty does the Chitlangi feel compared to a KLVUK? Thanks!

In answer to your previous question, I don't think you can tell much from a side-by-side photo comparison of a CAK and Chitlangi. The CAK has a wider blade, but a lot of the difference is in spine thickness, edge profile and weight -- assuming equal lengths. The CAK is a heavy chopper by design, while the Chitlangi is more of a medium chopper. If you think of a spectrum with heavy chopper at one end and fighting knife at the other end, the CAK would be way over at the heavy chopper end and the Chitlangi would be somewhere in the middle. The KLVUK is more of a "utility knife" (hence its name) and doesn't quite fit on that spectrum; it can be used for light or medium chopping, and like any knife it can serve as a weapon, but I think of it as a general purpose camp knife.

A heft comparison of Chitlangi and KLVUK will depend on the particular Chitlangi. The KLVUKS tend to be fairly similar, as they are all made by the same kami, Keshar Lal, and he doesn't vary the blade thickness very much. KLVUK is named after him: Keshar Lal Utility Knife. The Chitlangis, however, are made by several kamis and come in a greater variety of lengths and even spine thickness. Some Chitlangis are fairly heavy for their length, others are significantly lighter.

I don't recall where you said what your main usage would be, or if you want a lighter weight blade. Other than holding a knife in your hand, the best way of comparing the "heft" of two models is by the weight, assuming similar lengths. The question of balance is trickier. Usually a chiruwa type handle (full tang with the edges showing and a handle made of two slabs) will have the balance point a little closer to the handle than the same model with a traditional tang, because the chiruwa tang has more steel.

By the way, I don't know if you are judging sizes and weights by what is posted at the HI web site, but those are only a small subset of what is generally available. Most HI models come in a variety of lengths and weights, and some models are not even listed at the HI web site. That's why it's better to shop here at the forum, where you can see the actual length, weight and photo of a given knife. And the DOTD prices are great.
 
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I'm certainly no expert in regards to HI Khukris or even Khukris in general. However, I believe davidf99's assessment is even more than spot on.
 
I have villager utility knives made by Lok and by Dhan Bahadur, so Keshar Lal is not the only kami who has made villager utility knives. I don't think that Keshar Lal has ever marked any of his KLVUKs? My VUKs by Lok (fish mark) and Dhan Bahadur (eye mark) were both marked. I also got one of the new smaller KLVUKs from the "Spring-Cleanup-deals-for-3-14-Pix-and-KLVUK" DOTD post, and it appears to have a new carved version of Dhan Bahadur's eye mark on it.
 
In answer to your previous question, I don't think you can tell much from a side-by-side photo comparison of a CAK and Chitlangi. The CAK has a wider blade, but a lot of the difference is in spine thickness, edge profile and weight -- assuming equal lengths.

The side by side request was simply to give me a length comparison since I already have a CAK. I also have a KLVUK which is why I'm looking for that middle ground. I like how "whippy" the KLVUK is and how deep it bites into wood. The CAK is beastly, but too slow for the lighter, more springy growth. Most of what I'll be cutting is small limbs, saplings and brush. For that reason, I'm looking for something in the 18" length that is lighter with the balance more to the rear that cuts somewhat like a KLVUK with it's thinner edge angle.

Hearing that the Chitlangi is typically thinner and lighter overall than the CAK with the balance to the rear is good news to me because that's what I'm looking for. Would you agree with that assessment? I don't know if you have both blades or not.
 
Mopar, one of my KLVUKs is marked, as was the one I got for a friend. He uses the crescent mark that Bura used to use.
 
The side by side request was simply to give me a length comparison since I already have a CAK. I also have a KLVUK which is why I'm looking for that middle ground. I like how "whippy" the KLVUK is and how deep it bites into wood. The CAK is beastly, but too slow for the lighter, more springy growth. Most of what I'll be cutting is small limbs, saplings and brush. For that reason, I'm looking for something in the 18" length that is lighter with the balance more to the rear that cuts somewhat like a KLVUK with it's thinner edge angle.

Hearing that the Chitlangi is typically thinner and lighter overall than the CAK with the balance to the rear is good news to me because that's what I'm looking for. Would you agree with that assessment? I don't know if you have both blades or not.

The Chitlangi is almost always thinner and lighter than a CAK. In fact, an 18" Chitlangi might weigh less than a 15" CAK. Of course there's a lot of individual variation because these blades are hand made with traditional tools and techniques. The edge profile is harder to see even if you have the knife in hand, but the CAK has more "beef" behind the edge, as befits a heavy chopper.

This Chitlangi by Lokendra kami is 15.5" OAL and weighs 16 oz. It is one of my favorite blades. At that size I think of it as more of a fighting knife than a chopper.

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This Chitlangi by Kumar kami is 18.5" OAL and weighs 21.5 oz; something like this probably would do very well for your needs.

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This Chitlangi by Lokendra kami is 20.5" OAL and weighs 26 oz. It is one of the less common type with a single fuller on each side.

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To illustrate how much weights can vary, I once ordered a 21" OAL Chitlangi by Tirtha kami that weighed 37 oz. It proved to be too heavy and the handle girth too large for my hand, so I ended up returning it to Yangdu for a credit toward future purchases.

And just for the fun of it, and to give you a comparison, here is a CAK by the Royal Kami, Bura, 17" OAL with a weight of 33 oz. Note that it's only 1.5" longer than my smaller Chitlangi pictured above, but weighs more than twice as much.

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Thanks for the in-depth info, davidf99! So, would you recommend I request Kumar kami or do blades very enough with a single kami that it doesn't matter?
 
Thanks for the in-depth info, davidf99! So, would you recommend I request Kumar kami or do blades very enough with a single kami that it doesn't matter?

People have their favorite kamis. Of the ones currently making blades for HI, mine would be Purna, Kumar and Lacchu. However, my recommendation is that you watch Yangdu's DOTDs and when you see a Chitlangi in the length and weight range that suits you, shoot her an email ASAP. I wouldn't worry too much about the particular kami because the Chitlangi is one of HI's bread and butter models and any kami who is assigned to make that model is likely to do a very good job.

If you don't want to wait, you can send Yangdu an email specifying the desired length and weight, and ask her if she has a Chitlangi available with those specs. 18" OAL is one of the more common lengths, but weights can vary a lot, so I would give a range, for example 18" OAL and weight between 20 oz and 26 oz, if that suits you.

Other models that are very similar to the Chitlangi in terms of lengths, weights and edge profile are the Sirupati (also a bread and butter model) and the Chainpuri (seen less often). They are a little less fancy looking in terms of the fullers and handle decoration, but functionally they are probably equivalent to a Chitlangi. You can find pictures of them at the HI web site, or by using the search function in this forum (upper right hand corner of the page).
 
If you do plan on special ordering, I would actually recommend Anil, Keshar Lal's son, for the job. While I do have the same 3 favorites as David, I have received some amazing work from him, including my kitchen knives that I drew. His blades seem on the lighter side, and though his fit & finish may not yet be as perfect as the top 3, the feel of his blades are spot on. Maybe his blades just speak to me. Actually I think I saw a gorgeous Anil Chitlangi on DOTD not to long ago

Edit: yup, here you go. I rest my case with the specs of 17.7" and 22oz. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ems-and-Used-one-for-3-24-Pix-and-big-savings
 
If you do plan on special ordering, I would actually recommend Anil, Keshar Lal's son, for the job. While I do have the same 3 favorites as David, I have received some amazing work from him, including my kitchen knives that I drew. His blades seem on the lighter side, and though his fit & finish may not yet be as perfect as the top 3, the feel of his blades are spot on. Maybe his blades just speak to me. Actually I think I saw a gorgeous Anil Chitlangi on DOTD not to long ago

Edit: yup, here you go. I rest my case with the specs of 17.7" and 22oz. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ems-and-Used-one-for-3-24-Pix-and-big-savings
That's the one I picked up! Awesome work and I love the lighter weight!
 
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