Blade stamps

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It really IS funny, Esav.

With millions of stamped knives in service for a century or so and showing no signs of failing, Buck has suddenly decided that stamping knives will cause them to fail so they have to engrave the blades instead.

They've done tests, they say. Tests that show stamped blades are are weakened and will fail. Any day now, apparently.....we can expect a worldwide apocalyptic failure of stamped knives. Prepare. Buy knives without stamps.

They refuse to share information about their tests, though. Better that we just trust them.

Could they possibly be doing it just to save a few bucks because engraving is cheap? Oh horrors, NO! Perish the thought, they say. They would never do such a tacky thing.

Yes, the whole thing is funny and getting funnier.
 
Let me whisper from the back of the room.

I am use to stamped tangs on my folding knives. Most of them Buck had nothing to do with. Some of the Cami stamps on the littler folders were not perfect. Even to the point of being hard to read. Bucks stamping of its 300 tangs has generally been good in the past. I guess I have come to expect the front side to be stamped and if a special steel or custom, some engraving or lasering on the reverse side. I have no idea whether it is a cheaper process or not. As current supporters we can have a look, make our remarks and go on.

If all of Buck knives go to lasering or engraving then I will have to either like it or not buy them. I will only be effected lightly as new knives are only a slight concern for me. Change happens sometimes, I like it some and sometimes I don't. My knife world started down a little when good India stag became hard to get and expensive..........even today it would take some real jigged bone with 420HC or swedish to make my motor rumble. I am sort of cold tempered toward the more modern scales, but that is business, if I want stag or jigged I can go to Leroy or Eric... Will give my opinion and then wait to see what happens and how it looks. Right this minute I would take a lasered tang to get a two blade 301 or 303 with a secondary warcliff blade in jigged bone.......I can be bought, but not cheaply....
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i took note of what Joe said in his orgional post when he said it
and i agreed then with it as i do now ...
like dave i also have nuc (& navy training)as to the effect of stress on steel aloys
and know that stamping will affect the internal structure of it

also i KNOW who makes my knife ..
been there and watched them do their work ..
i have chated with them and ate with them..
and
i trust them to make the best decision in makeing
MY Buck Knife

as a known BCCI "lifer" #749, i indrectly reppresent the club here
when i publicly display my knives i 'am' a rep of the Buck Collectors Club
also when i display my knives in public
i am indrectly a rep of Buck Knives
i did not relise the above untell it was pointed out to me
the changed of id to 110 Dave was symbolic of that understanding
so i will not engage in emotonal comments ...
thoes that knew 334dave .. well they know what he would have said

it should be beneath us as gentalmen to resort to useing wording that inflames emotions or is insulting..
we should disagree respectfully ... see my next post please
 
I have used many Buck 119's and some 120's as well. All had tang stamps. Never had trouble with any of them. I did have a foreign made knife that was heavily stamped on the tang. Eventually, after use/abuse and four hunting seasons, I did notice a small stress fracture which started at the stamping point. I would suggest that this is not normal behavior. I wonder if any others have had similar stories? The fracture could have something to do with the fact that the knife was used as a 'thrower', hand axe and a chisel. As I have said many times before, if we'd stick to proper useage parameters these knives would last a lifetime and then some. The foreign made beater is still intact despite the tiny crack.
 
Yes, gentlemen--I too, have never heard of a blade failing due to a stamp. Millions in use.....hello.

Since we can disregard "Company Line" comments and "Company Cheerleader" comments......it is strikingly obvious that nobody is seriously addressing the question asked.

Thus, we are left without any serious attempt to answer the question.

And I reserve faith as the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.....only for God, not men.

Therefore, until I see the apocalyptic failure of the millions of stamped knives in use, OR Buck's release of their tests for verification by independent science--I regard Buck's claims as bogus and engraving as a method to save a few dollars.
 
Perhaps it's time for those who doubt the honesty and integrity of Buck Knives Inc. and their representatives (and make that very plain) to the point of calling them a liar, to move on to another brand of knife (and hopefully another sub-forum). Perhaps they can find someone or some brand elsewhere that they can be truly happy with in all respects and don't feel that they have ulterior motives.
 
I speak from experience at a high end consumer product company and other past time activites
I have seen steel fail at ‘stamped’ locations so it is not a fabrication

Testing results of any kind are almost always confidential data as
it can give competition way to much insight..
we are privileged to be told any thing of Bucks testing and results
and it is foolish demand ‘raw data’ as proof..

There are but a fraction of knives that are not basic carbon or stainless
and we are told that it is the alloys are ‘more’ subject to this,
and not that the normal steels are not.
But expensive alloys are not the only steel that this stressing happens to
I am willing to bet it has happed to the 420 hc or 440c or 425hc also
and I am willing to bet others are also going to etch also for a better blade

As to weak stamp location failure- there are weaker points for a blade to fail at..
the beginning of the grind and the cut were the guards go are weaker then the solid stamp location
Every one I know has seen blades break at those points
I would say that is why you don’t see the failure at the stamp on finished knives
And that Bucks Quality control had keep us from seeing unique failure on theirs

i am not suprised that Buck has decided to go to etching alloys with their mark as
they always have done what ever is needed to make a pratical knife better

It is expensive to set up to put a stamp or mark of any kind on steel
So I feel that it is not a cost cutting device/move either way

As to the blades that Buck had with the stamp on the top edge –
I am willing to bet was hand applied for custom shop use and LE use
Very expensive to make a hand applied tooling stamp
And yes I would pay for extra hand operations on MY knives.

in short -
we dont see that failure as there are weaker locations for a knife to fail at
and we dont see the ones that fail at the factory from this
that we dont see it does not mean it is not a true condition
that Buck is takeing stepts so that we will not see it is comendable

Plumberdave- fee free to lock this thread if you want
it would not bother me at all if you do..
 
After giving it some thought, I feel this is a good place to put an end to it. Here's a couple of quotes from Joe which I believe shows his own dislike of the engraved "stamps" and the wish for regular stamping to be continued, and the bottom quote is from an e-mail he sent me hoping that they can find a solution.

"We started lasering the logos on the premium steels because those blades dont like to get stamped on both sides."
"Personally I like the stamping the best.....but then again I dont like cracked blades either..."


"Just so you know, the sentiment behind the rants are not lost. I will look into the whole stamp vs. etch thing and hopefully we can find a solution.
Take care,
Joe Houser

Director of Customer Relations
Buck Collectors Club Liaison
Company Historian"
 
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