Blade steel VS Cardboard, paper, tape & plastic?

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I work in a mail room of a medium size company. I am responsible for opening everything that comes into our company. I use a Kershaw Scallion (420HC)to open all packages and boxes. About 25-30 per day. Envelopes are all openened by a machine. My problem is that the Scallion seems to loose it's sharp edge rather fast. What types of steel will hold an edge longer when it comes to cutting paper, cardboard, all kinds of tape, plastic shrink wrap and strapping?
Thanks in advance.
 
A harder steel would against those sorts of materials. I love cpm44Ov for that sort of use. It seems to hold its edge forever. CPM440V: Carbon 2.15%; Manganese 0.4%; Chromium 17%; Vanadium 5.5%; Molybdenum 0.4%. An extremely hard, high carbon steel.
Mine is in a Spyderco Starmate, IMO its really good for paper, plastic and tape. But it is harder to sharpen you will need a diamond hone to bring it back once it does dull.
 
cardboard, in particular, is very hard on edges. it contains all sorts of non-paper material, including bits of metal.
 
What you'll be wanting to do is to look at the factory Rc test results. I don't believe that I've seen 420hc or 440a harder than 56rc, whereas I've seen 440c ,D2, AUS-8, 154CM, and ATS-34 all somewhere between 58-61rc(which should be about right for your needs).

While D2 isn't 100% stainless, it's very wear resistent, and of my knives, it's held some of the nicest edges.
 
Why not simply use a box cutter, or SuperKnife? That kind of continuous use is going to be pretty hard on a blade regardless of the steel.
 
What types of steel will hold an edge longer when it comes to cutting paper, cardboard, all kinds of tape, plastic shrink wrap and strapping?

It is the shape as well as the steel. Buy a small blade from Tom Krein which is ground very thin and made from a highly abrasion resistant steel like D2. Sharpen it very well, and leave it somewhat coarse and cut on a draw.

-Cliff
 
Why not simply use a box cutter, or SuperKnife? That kind of continuous use is going to be pretty hard on a blade regardless of the steel.

A box cutter would seem logical however the last person to do my job cut himself really bad with a utility knife. My boss has a thing against boxcutters/utility knives but he does approve of folders.
 
I've tried the search function unsuccessfully to find a comparison of blade steels. RC hardness comparison.
 
Sounds like your boss is a mall ninja; does he frown upon shovels for digging holes too ? :( Boxcutters have thin blades and are designed just for that specific purpose (and priced accordingly). Just because somebody was clumsy enough to cut himself with one doesn't mean they are inappropriate tool for the job ... what would you boss have said if you told him about all the times you've cut yourself fiddling with your knives ? ;)
 
sample of what you will find there! CPM 3V, CPM 10V, CPM 420V and CPM(T)440V
CPM is a registered trademark of Crucible Materials Corp.
Information is posted with Crucible Materials Corp. permission


CPM S30V is the NEW addition from Crucible Materials Corp.
CPM S60V is a new designation for CPM 440V
CPM S90V is a new designation for CPM 420V.

CPM - Crucible Particle Metallurgy - steels are made by Crucible Specialty Metals, and are super edge holding steels.
The process used to manufacture particle metallurgy permits unusually high Carbon and Vanadium content.

About Particle Metallurgy
The traditional process uses the pressing of blended metal powders into a mold. The compacted part is then heated to just below the melting point. This is called sintering.
Sintering is similar to forge welding, since the individual particles are bonded without melting down. Parts can be produced that contain elements impossible to include in casting procedures.
Like making porous filters for gas and oil lines, sintered bronze self lubricated bearings, tungsten carbide cutting tool tips and replaceable ceramic inserts.
Crucible Specialty Metals company advanced the process of particle metallurgy in 1970 by introducing
Crucible Particle Metallurgy.
This process differs from traditional PM in that it is used to produce a large compact (billet), which is than rolled or forged in conventional mills into bars, rods, wire, sheet or plates required by the industry.
The wear resistance and strength of CPM steels are always greater than of the steels made by conventional methods. The fine grain size and even distribution of the alloy elements are the key.
Spyderco offers at least one model in CPM T440V

Comparison of CPM versus 440-C and 154CM Stainless:

Carbon Manganese Silicon Chromium Molybdenum Vanadium
440 C 1.20 1.00 1.00 18.00 0.75 0.00
154 CM 1.02 0.60 0.25 14.00 4.00 0.00
CPM 3V 0.80 0.50 0.90 5.23 1.30 9.75
CPM 10V 2.46 - - 7.50 1.30 2.75
CPM S60V (440V) 2.30 - - 14.00 1.00 9.00
CPM S90V (420V) 2.15 0.40 0.40 17.00 0.40 5.50
CPM S30V 1.45 0.40 0.40 14.00 2.00 4.00



Heat treating
Preheat at 1500 - 1550 degrees F and hold for about 1/2 hour. Transfer to furnace heated to 1950-2150 degrees F, depending on the temperature selected.
- 1,950 degrees F is recommended for maximum toughness,
- 2,150 degrees F is recommended for maximum wear resistance.
To ensure adequate solutioning of the alloy carbides and proper response to tempering, a minimum soak time of 30 minutes at temperature is recommended for hardening from 1950 degrees F, and a minimum soak time of 10 minutes at temperature for hardening from 2150 degrees F.
These times should be adjusted accordingly for large or very thin section sizes.
Air quench. Temper immediately.

Edge holding ability is said to be 2 - 3x better than 440C at 57 - 58RC.
CPM steels are easier to grind and polish than conventional stainless.

440-V available SIZES

Hot Rolled 1/8" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 1' + and 36" long - Orange End
3/16" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 1' + and 36" long - Orange End
1/8" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 18" and 36" long - White End
5/32" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 18" and 36" long - White End
3/16" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 18" and 36" long - White End
3/16" thick x 2" wide x 18" and 36" long - White End
Precision ground 3/32" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 18" and 36" long - White End
1/8" thick x 1-1/2" wide x 18" and 36" long - White End
Sheet 3/32" thick x 6" wide x 12" long - Orange End
3/32" thick x 6" wide x 24" long - Orange End
3/32" thick x 6" wide x 36" long - Orange End

CPM S30V - is a martensitic stainless steel designed to offer the best combination of toughness, wear resistance and corrosion resistance.
It's chemistry has been specially balanced to promote the formation of vanadium carbides which are harder and more effective than chromium carbides in providing wear resistance.
S30V offers substantial improvement in toughness over other high hardness steels such as 440C and D2,
and its corrosion resistance is equal to or better than 440C in various environments.
The CPM process produces very homogeneous, high quality steel characterized by superior dimensional stability, grindability, and toughness compared to steels produced by conventional processes.

Current Data Sheets are available in HTML and PDF formats at company's web site:
http://www.crucibleservice.com/datasheets/dynamicPull.cfm?gradeName=CPM S30V

Heat treatment of CPM S30V
Forging: 2100°F (1150°C) Do not forge below 1750°F (950°C).
Annealing: Heat to 1650°F (900°C), hold 2 hours, slow cool no faster than 25°F (15°C) per hour to 1100°F (595°C), then furnace cool or cool in still air to room temperature.
Annealed Hardness: About BHN 255
Stress Relieving
Annealed Parts: Heat to 1100-1300°F (595-705°C), hold 2 hours, then furnace cool or cool in still air. Hardened Parts: Heat to 25-50°F (15-30°C) below original tempering temperature, hold 2 hours, then furnace cool or cool in still air.
Straightening: Best done warm 400-800°F (200-430°C)
Hardening Preheat: Heat to 1550-1600°F (845-870°C) Equalize.
Austenitize: 1900-2000°F (1035-1095°C), hold time at temperature 15-30 minutes.
Quench: Air or positive pressure quench (2 bar minimum) to below 125°F (50°C), or salt or interrupted oil quench to about 1000°F (540°C), then air cool to below 125°F (50°C).
Temper: Double temper at 400-750°F (200-400°C). Hold for 2 hours minimum each time.
A freezing treatment - may be used between the first and second tempers. Freezing treatments help to attain maximum hardenability and must always be followed by at least one temper.

NOTE: For optimum stress relieving, CPM S30V may be tempered at 1000-1025°F (540-550°C). Tempering in this range may result in a slight decrease in corrosion resistance. Size Change: +0.05 to +0.10% when fully martensitic. The presence of retained austenite may reduce the net growth.
When tempering at 400-750°F (200-400°C), freezing treatments may be necessary to minimize retained austenite.
Note: Properties shown throughout this data sheet are typical values. Normal variations in chemistry, size and heat treat conditions may cause deviations from these values. For additional data or metallurgical assistance, please consult your local Crucible Service Center.
Recommended Heat Treatment:
Austenitize 1950°F (1065°C). Quench to below 125°F (50°C). Double temper at 600°F (315°C) 2 hrs. minimum each temper. Cool to hand warm between tempers. A freezing treatment may be added between tempers.
Aim hardness: 58-61 HRC.


Listed in the catalog of:
Sheffield's Knifemakers Supply
Texas Knifemaker's Supply
 
Here's my $0.02.
1) You probably want something inexpensive let's say under $100.
2) A thin blade would be best in this situation.
3) Sheeple friendly so 2.5' to 3'
4) Locking? I'll assume yes.
5) Better blade steel then 420HC (that's not too hard to do)

What immediately comes to mind is this
http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_type/folding/locking/a_g_russell_4_drop_point_lockback.html
or this
http://www.gpknives.com/item/kershaw-gentleman's-folder.html

if those are too big... then go get a slip joint made
by Queen in D2, 1095, or ATS-34... there's a multitude of choices
and all are sheeple friendly.
 
Something like the Fallkniven U2 or Spyderco Calypso Jr. may fit your uses and budget. Both are fine knives and don't create terror in the eyes of co-workers.
 
Something like the Fallkniven U2 or Spyderco Calypso Jr. may fit your uses and budget. Both are fine knives and don't create terror in the eyes of co-workers.

Is that looking glass rock off the Blue Ridge Parkway? Its just about my favorite part of the Parkway!
 
Back to topic, many Wal-Marts carry (and all can order) the Spyderco Native with S30V blade for about $40. It won't hold up as well as 440V, but it makes 420HC look like aluminum by comparison. Spyderco is also making the Delica model in ZDP-189 for a street price around $70-$80. ZDP runs 63-65 RC and is wear resistant enough to last a long while on cardboard and tape.
 
Is that looking glass rock off the Blue Ridge Parkway? Its just about my favorite part of the Parkway!

Yes it is. Just a few miles from my front door.

And, as mentioned in my prior post, it'd be hard to beat a blade with ZDP-189 (Calypso Jr.) or SGPS (U2) for the intended uses and environment.
 
I use an O1 blade at work. I make about 1,000 or more cuts in cardboard in a week plus cut alot of shrink wrap and plastic strapping. I sharpen with a diamond hone but don't strop. I leave the edge unpolished.
Scott
 
Try and get one of the Spyderco's with ZDP-189 as others have mentioned. Use it hard and let us know how it does. :)
 
Something like the Fallkniven U2 or Spyderco Calypso Jr. may fit your uses and budget. Both are fine knives and don't create terror in the eyes of co-workers.


I currently use a Krein modified (to high hollow grind) Fallkniven U2 and a ZDP Caly Jr. (similar high hollow grind), and both will cut through cardboard for an extremely long time compared to any other knife I have tried, including Vg-10 and S30V knives, while retaining a working edge. Both are very thin in cross sectiond, so even when they start to get dull they still get the job done.
 
Back in my days in the mailroom I would use a stockman with a carbon steel blade. Having 3 blades gave me a backup when one got dull. I particularly liked the sheepsfoot blade shape for opening boxes. A 1095 alloy blade may hold an edge better than 420 HC and it is easy to sharpen. It will take a remarkably thin edge. Take a look at this version from Camillus.
http://www.1sks.com/store/camillus-carbon-series-stockman.html
 
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