Recommendation? Blade Steel

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Londinium Armoury said:
Yeah I'm sure the Busse heat treatment process is something nobody else can do, and no modern heat treatment facility can achieve. It's a mystical process that only the initiatiated monks of the hog can perform.
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That’s some mighty fine platitudes right there. :thumbsup:

In this case knowledge of the process is more important than the ability to perform it.

Ever used any INFI? Whatever it is, and however they cook it, the performance is damn impressive.
 
AntDog said:
And?...

Ooh, ooh, let’s hear how they hear treat it. Know anything about it?

Any baker can take eggs, oil, flour, sugar, etc. and bake cake, but not all cakes are the same.
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I stand corrected, I was just contacted by a Busse Abbot Monk, who bestowed upon me the secret to their mystical hidden art. First the blade is cycled in the fires of Mount Doom, and left to cool down upon the mantle of a Greek virgin. Then the blade is heated by a secret ninja technique using the torches made from methods of the Bansenshukai. once at optimal temp it is then quenched in tiger urine that was blessed by a 34th generation shaolin monk.
The blade is then tempered in a witches oven in her gingerbread house, while magical gnomes and fae folk dance around the oven in a ring. Then the slightly alloyed 1065 is now given to vulcan to forge the weapons of the gods.
 
AntDog said:
That’s some mighty fine platitudes right there. :thumbsup:

In this case knowledge of the process is more important than the ability to perform it.

Ever used any INFI? Whatever it is, and however they cook it, the performance is damn impressive.
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Yes i've had a couple of Busse blades sent to me for sharpening before I messed around with them for a weekend, it's okay stuff, not as good as S7 in my opinion.
 
Londinium Armoury said:
Yeah I'm sure the Busse heat treatment process is something nobody else can do, and no modern heat treatment facility can achieve. It's a mystical process that only the initiatiated monks of the hog can perform.
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Well, first you have to find a virgin to sacrifice...

So, you see, it's not as easy as you might think.

(Disclaimer: The above was meant as a joke. Do not attempt at home. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.)
 
Blues said:
Well, first you have to find a virgin to sacrifice...

So, you see, it's not as easy as you might think.

(Disclaimer: The above was meant as a joke. Do not attempt at home. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.)
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This is probably the reason why their heat treatment process is so expensive, buying virgin bar stock ain't cheap these days.
 
Please, let's not get into an unnecessary pissing contest here, folks.
 
I've got nothing against Busse heat treatment, or INFI steel, I just don't think it's the worlds toughest steel, it might be one of the worlds best heat treatment methods. But it's not the toughest chemical composition for a steel that exists. That's all i'm saying.
 
Just want to give you an example, for instance you can improve the toughness of INFI by changing a few of the elements around.

C - 64
Cr - 8.12
Mo - 0.85
V - 0.33
Si - 0.63

Now if you remove a touch of that carbon, change it from 64 to say 55, remove some of that chromium maybe half of it, then add a dash of nickle, you have just made INFI even tougher.
 
Maybe, rather than debate the qualities of INFI, we can try to help the OP who appears to be the forgotten man in this saga at this juncture.
 
Blues said:
Maybe, rather than debate the qualities of INFI, we can try to help the OP who appears to be the forgotten man in this saga at this juncture.
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Out of the list he provided I still recommend K390, I'm very happy with that steel so far, Elmax is pretty good but I think I prefer K390, for such a hard steel that stuff does not chip, it's pretty amazing actually.
 
Blues said:
Maybe, rather than debate the qualities of INFI, we can try to help the OP who appears to be the forgotten man in this saga at this juncture.
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It's alright, I'm okay with people playing in my thread as long as it is interesting. Regarding infi, if I could get an infi Ratmandu here in Europe that would probably be my choice. too bad it's nearly impossible
 
If you can get 3V, I think you'll be well served. Just my opinion...but it does a lot of things right...toughness, reasonable edge holding, easy to resharpen and does not oxidize quickly.

There are other good options, but I feel comfortable with that recommendation.
 
You can't go wrong with a Bark River 3V or Elmax knife, they are not hard to get hold of over here in Europe. Second to that you can't go wrong with an ESEE or TOPS. Good thing about ESEE is that even if you break the knife with a sledge hammer batoning through cinder blocks they will still probably give you a free replacement blade.
 
For small camp chores like whittling, food work, cleaning fish or game, etc. I’d probably lean to 14c28n.

Relatively corrosion resistant and easy to sharpen to a fine and stable edge.

I use cpm-3V for a dedicated hunting knife. It’s pretty convenient to get through a lot of hair and hide, while shrugging off bone impact. It’s a bit tougher to sharpen, and when exposed to a bunch of moisture it’s going to need a bit more attention.
 
Londinium Armoury said:
You can't go wrong with a Bark River 3V or Elmax knife, they are not hard to get hold of over here in Europe. Second to that you can't go wrong with an ESEE or TOPS. Good thing about ESEE is that even if you break the knife with a sledge hammer batoning through cinder blocks they will still probably give you a free replacement blade.
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Of course if you trust Bark River to actually give you the steel advertised you may have a bigger problem than steel selection.
 
Londinium Armoury said:
Bark River lie about the steel they use? So those 3V and Elmax knives are not reallt 3V or Elmax? What are they then.
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The owner of the company has had a checkered past in the industry...loved by some, hated by others. I don't think we need to take this thread off course by bringing the controversy back to life here...

...If you are interested, "search" on these forums, and "google" will probably be your best bet.
 
Blues said:
The owner of the company has had a checkered past in the industry...loved by some, hated by others. I don't think we need to take this thread off course by bringing the controversy back to life here...

...If you are interested, "search" on these forums, and "google" will probably be your best bet.
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Thanks i'm having a look into it, this is new information to me.
 
Blues said:
The owner of the company has had a checkered past in the industry...loved by some, hated by others. I don't think we need to take this thread off course by bringing the controversy back to life here...

...If you are interested, "search" on these forums, and "google" will probably be your best bet.
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Isn't that sort of the same story as many others?
The list of controversial knife makers and knife sellers seems endless. It's like you have to establish some sort of controversy about the product you push.
 
Hal said:
Isn't that sort of the same story as many others?
The list of controversial knife makers and knife sellers seems endless. It's like you have to establish some sort of controversy about the product you push.
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There's all different sorts of "controversy". Some have to do with not filling orders timely, some have to do with inferior products, some have to do with mimicking someone else's work, others with fraud, dishonesty and deception. There is no "one kind" of controversy. Each case will have its own facts.

Those who are interested will seek out more information and decide what matters for themselves.

Personally, I will not buy knives from makers whom I can't respect, and if I find out after the fact, I'll sell, even at a loss. Everyone gets to vote with their own actions.

The point of my earlier post was that we are not going to go down that particular road in this thread as it's both off topic and has been documented elsewhere.
 
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