bladesmith, "designer" or both

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I hope this isn't a stupid question but here goes...

Can someone become a "knife designer" (I'm not sure if there is such a term), designing knives either on paper,CAD or any number of means without actually doing the forging and grinding of the knives he designs? Or does one have to actually apprentice under a knife maker first or actually grind his or her own knives to be considered a "knife designer"?
 
Are you asking if there is a market for "Knife Designers" who only come up with a design of a Knife? I would have to say generally no. I don't want to talk for someone else, so for me, I follow my own mindset of what I want to create and then I make it. If someone were to draw a knife they want, it would most likely be a design I have no interest in creating, and I would tell them to find someone else to make their knife. I don't think Knife makers lack the creativity to need a Knife Designer.

To answer your immediate question, no, anyone can draw a knife on a program or piece of paper and call them self a Knife Designer.

-John
 
well its not so much as seeing if there's a market, but rather just out of curiosity. is there such as thing as a knife designer, someone who just designs the knife and has someone else make it? I know this question may rub some people the wrong way in this community and I apologize in advance..
 
well its not so much as seeing if there's a market, but rather just out of curiosity. is there such as thing as a knife designer, someone who just designs the knife and has someone else make it? I know this question may rub some people the wrong way in this community and I apologize in advance..

If you've gotten as far as figuring out what you want it to look like why not take the next step and build it? it's not that hard to begin, and with enough practice and learning you will eventually be able to render in steel exactly what you envisioned. Start by reading the "newbies good information here" stickies, get some steel and work it.

of course if you want to custom order something exactly to your specifications, I could use the work as long as the money is there . . .:D

-Page
 
There are knife designers such as Ken Onion and Gil Hibben, but they made a name for themselves 1st as great knife makers.
 
Are you asking if there is a market for "Knife Designers" who only come up with a design of a Knife? I would have to say generally no. I don't want to talk for someone else, so for me, I follow my own mindset of what I want to create and then I make it. If someone were to draw a knife they want, it would most likely be a design I have no interest in creating, and I would tell them to find someone else to make their knife. I don't think Knife makers lack the creativity to need a Knife Designer.

To answer your immediate question, no, anyone can draw a knife on a program or piece of paper and call them self a Knife Designer.

-John

Really?

E.g.: http://benchmade.com/benchmade/jobs/dsgn_eng.pdf

Especially:
All design work will be completed using Pro/Engineer software to create 3D solid models and 2D drawings.
 
The Benchmade ad is asking for someone with a lot more experience in engineering and fabrication than simply drawing a knife. They're talking about prototyping, work streaming/process design and substantial knowledge of all the major manufacturing techniques.
If you show up with your sketch pad (or lap top) and a bunch of knife shapes as your only qualifications, it won't be enough for that position.

I do full-hand made forged knives and I do projects using CAD and vendors--and stuff in between. These are different skills entirely, but a foundational understanding of what makes a good knife from experience is essential.
It's not just about coming up with a cools shape. There are functional design considerations that may not be obvious to someone that doesn't make knives, and there are cost/manufacturing considerations that must affect every aspect of your design philosophy if you're making something from some level of production. For instance, you may call out a 1/16 radius on a particular contour. You may NEED that 1/16 or you may be able to open that up to 1/4 and save a pile of money in machining. These are decisions that you keep in mind while you're doing your design so you don't paint yourself into a corner with your shapes and come up with something that you can't make cost effectively. They're talking about fine blanking which has it's own benefits and limitations. If you don't know the processes you can't reliably design for them.

On the other hand, you could have a boatload of engineering/manufacturing experience and know nothing of knives and make stupid design choices from ignorance. There are plenty of examples of this. These designers tend to come from aerospace or similar and think "It's only a knife" and under-design critical areas and cut costs in the very areas they shouldn't --simply because they don't know any better.

So no, you don't have to be a proficient hand-made knife maker, but you should have experience using and making knives AND in manufacturing, or your designs will tend to be naive or simply untenable for production.

Having said all that, drawing a shape with a few specifics and pitching it off to Asia to work out the details and put it into production is an approach that has been used by some well-known manufacturers. However, if they're looking for shapes, they may be inclined to either mimic existing successful designs, partner with designers with a track record (usually successfully making their own knives), or generate their own shapes. So unless you're bringing a track record or a lot of the right kind of experience, it may be an uphill climb.

My 2 cents,
Good Luck!
 
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I'm curious. How many people here use Pro/ENGINEER? Surface modeling? ISDX? GibbsCAM (or any other CAD/CAM)? Sounds like a fairly nitch position.

Just curious...
 
It's a niche position in a lot of ways, I think.

Lots of manufacturing engineers that also do some CAD work could fit the bill, but that, combined with knife-specific knowledge in a guy that can produce compelling designs will narrow the field a lot, I think.

My guess is they'll get a manufacturing engineer with CAD experience and end up teaching him the specifics of designing knives that are relevant to their business. That's probably the easiest way for them to get that position filled.

It seems a lot of guys that can fit that bill and can design cool knives are doing their own thing (?)
 
JCaswell, thanks for your insights. My point was very simple answer to OP's question:
designing knives either on paper,CAD or any number of means without actually doing the forging and grinding of the knives he designs?

And the simple answer is, contrary to some posters in this thread, yes, you can be a (professional, i.e. "get paid for it") knife designer and not forge and grind your own knives/designs.
 
JCaswell, thanks for your insights. My point was very simple answer to OP's question:


And the simple answer is, contrary to some posters in this thread, yes, you can be a (professional, i.e. "get paid for it") knife designer and not forge and grind your own knives/designs.

Oh, you're right about that. I didn't mean to contradict you, just add a bit as I don't know the OPs understanding of processes hand-made or commercial.

If I was hiring this position and wasn't able to oversee everything he does, I'd feel much better if he understood some of the finer points of grinding from experience, but that's just part of that 'knife-specific" knowledge that might be a little elusive in a typical MFG. engineer. Wouldn't be a deal-breaker, though as he/she could certainly learn.

As great as it is, I can't think of a single direct advantage hand-forging experience lend to the designer of production knives ala Benchmade, for example.
 
I'm curious. How many people here use Pro/ENGINEER? Surface modeling? ISDX? GibbsCAM (or any other CAD/CAM)? Sounds like a fairly nitch position.

Just curious...
Personally if I need to model something or have it laser/waterjet cut I use solidworks. The program is fairly non-intuitive, but VERY powerful. I'm not sure how well it translates directly to toolpaths, the guy I have lasercut things can work directly from it, I haven't been able to find anyone who can waterjet from it without exporting the files to a simpler format (sucks since I like waterjet better than laser, less cleanup)

-Page
 
While anyone can draw out a design, even a great one, the problem comes when you have to present that to the money man and have to convince him that it makes good business sense to start building.

This is where an in depth knowledge of the process of knifemaking is absolutely essential. The depth of knowledge will cover not only the suggested manufacturing steps but alternative methods should the question arise.

This ability to respond is best developed by studying the available product on the market, manufacturing methods, and mechanical design. Then the problem is limited to staying up to date with currnet advances.

All that said, I am open to low volume designs to add to my line pretty much all of the time. Can't pay much, but it would lend credibility to your efforts if something you designed was made up in metal.

George
 
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