Blue blade

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I'm heat treating and tempering my 2 blades. One is a file blade and the other is O1 steel. I heated until they lost their magnetic properties and quenched in motor oil.
I tempered at 450 for two hours.
When I pulled them out of the oven, both blades had signes of blueing.

Is this OK? Will it polish off or do I need to retreat the blades? Did I do something wrong?

I'm new and appreciate the help and advice.
 
No problem. It's a combination of oil residue and oxidation. Makes some pretty cool colors, but they're not that durable.
 
Each of those steels require different HT'g specifications. If you are using a forge, you are forced to make a compromise. Heating to non-magnetic will get you there well enough but I worry about the use of motor oil as a quenchant. It is toxic and not very good for the task at hand. I would suggest using canola if engineered quenching oil is not an option for you.

As for the tempering colours... don't rely on them. If you are using a conventional oven with exposed burners, you need to shield the blade from the infrared radiation of the elements. You also need to allow the ambient temperature in the oven to stabilize before putting you blades in. Buy a few of those dial oven thermometers and watch them closely.

If you successfully hardened the O1 blade, 450 should be okay but the it is difficult to say the file made it through at that high of a temperature.
 
I have seen that often, too. Older books on smithing in particular will tell you that "blue" temper colors fall into the 600 degree range and are too soft for most knives. In my experience, temper color means less than that. Things like blade finish, and residual grease (even fingerprints) can cause uneven or darker colors than you'd think for the tempering temperature. I temper at 450 on some knives and often see blue. That's in an oven in which I keep an additional thermometer to check the actual temperature. I find most ovens are a bit off, and some more than a bit. It would be worth preheating your oven until the temperature stabilizes, then seeing what the actual temperature is inside. After doing this a few times, you get a feel for how your particular oven should be controlled.

Edited to add: A quick word about your quenching. Since you are using 01, and file steel, which if you are lucky is W-series or 1095 high carbon, you'll want to achieve nonmagnetic, then just a little higher. If you can discern a slight color change hotter than Curie (non-magnetic) it's probably enough. Or, a few seconds more in the forge (if that's what you're using.) You want about 50-75 more degrees. If you are going to use motor oil, at least pre-heat it to 120-130 degrees first- it makes a big difference. I made a lot of knives this way. Better than motor oil would be canola, also preheated, or soybean oil . Better yet would be an engineered quenching oil of the right speed for your chosen steel.
 
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