Blue M390 PM2

So this dealer exclusive is in essence to benefit BBS instead of the customers? Ordering more inventory means more $$$ for BBS and for us who bought it thinking theres only 1000 and possibly collecting(or w/e # dealer exclusives are set to) are actually 'screwed' cause now there could be another 1000 of these out there...

However, I bought 2 of these and one is a EDC and the other is stored away...

also, according to spyderco's requirements for being a dealer....
"Dealer: Retail storefront location open to the public 40 or more hours per week and located in a commercialy zoned area."
I emailed BBS before and they said they don't have a store front... :confused:HRMMMMM?!?!! :confused:
 
jkh said:
So this dealer exclusive is in essence to benefit BBS instead of the customers? Ordering more inventory means more $$$ for BBS and for us who bought it thinking theres only 1000 and possibly collecting(or w/e # dealer exclusives are set to) are actually 'screwed' cause now there could be another 1000 of these out there...

However, I bought 2 of these and one is a EDC and the other is stored away...

also, according to spyderco's requirements for being a dealer....
"Dealer: Retail storefront location open to the public 40 or more hours per week and located in a commercialy zoned area."
I emailed BBS before and they said they don't have a store front... :confused:HRMMMMM?!?!! :confused:
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Anyone who buys a dealer exclusive assuming scarcity/limited numbers hasn't done their homework on these - there is no limit. However, the retail store front is a big issue, and many of us can name a well-liked dealer who lost his dealership recently because he lost his B&M storefront...that is an explicit requirement that Spyderco does enforce.
 
It's a good knife. I'm glad they commissioned it. I wish more dealers would make knives with fantastic steel more available for under $200 in a perfectly designed knife like the para 2. People have asked why Spyderco doesn't make a production knife in S90, well this could be the closest thing to that and people will still complain.
 
I bought mine direct from BBS, so unless they drop the price I don't feel slighted in the least. Mine is a user and I never intended for it to sit on the shelf collecting dust. Glad to see others will have a chance to purchase this fine knife dealer direct again instead of getting gouged by those flipping the knife.
 
jkh said:
So this dealer exclusive is in essence to benefit BBS instead of the customers?
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I don't think you understand what the difference is...of course this knife is 100% to benefit BBS. They were the ones willing to pony up and make the commitment on the order with Spyderco. I don't know they details of how a Dealer Exclusive process works, but I would imagine it requires BBS to take on a quite a bit of risk and commitment to get Spyderco to make whatever minimum run they need to do.

BBS just happened to pick a big time winner with this model and steel combo.

So yeah, BBS gets to benefit from this as well as Spyderco making *another* successful knife model and us as consumers because we get our hands on a great product (well some of us do, I still don't have one. :-( LOL) Hey since, the market just dropped on these...wanna sell me that spare one you have for cheap? ;-) haha j/k

jkh said:
Ordering more inventory means more $$$ for BBS and for us who bought it thinking theres only 1000 and possibly collecting(or w/e # dealer exclusives are set to) are actually 'screwed' cause now there could be another 1000 of these out there...
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That's the risk in buying knives on speculation as an investment. Sometimes you pick a winner, sometimes you don't. I'm willing to bet that most folks here on BF will tell you it's not an easy way to make money if that is what you are after.


jkh said:
also, according to spyderco's requirements for being a dealer....
"Dealer: Retail storefront location open to the public 40 or more hours per week and located in a commercialy zoned area."
I emailed BBS before and they said they don't have a store front... :confused:HRMMMMM?!?!! :confused:
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Again, I think you misunderstand the process. This may be Spyderco's requirement to buy direct from them, however there are distributors that wholesale Spyderco knives and may have different requirements.

I don't think this has anything to do with BBS and the exclusives though. As I said above, I'm sure this knife was given exclusivity to them based on a order commitment.
 
Again, I think you misunderstand the process. This may be Spyderco's requirement to buy direct from them, however there are distributors that wholesale Spyderco knives and may have different requirements.

I don't think this has anything to do with BBS and the exclusives though. As I said above, I'm sure this knife was given exclusivity to them based on a order commitment.
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So, BBS is not a "authorized" dealer? Which means they only buy from wholesale distributors and not directly from Spyderco...? Then, anyone can just go and buy from these wholesale distributors? Also, like you said... "This may be Spyderco's requirement to buy direct ... I'm sure this knife was given exclusivity to them based on a order commitment." That means YOU, ME, Joe, Dick, and Bob if we had the money without being a dealer we can get a exclusive done for us?
 
maybe so if someones prepared to drop around 50,000 on 600 knives. if i could afford to id get my own exclusive and hoard them all
 
jkh said:
So, BBS is not a "authorized" dealer? Which means they only buy from wholesale distributors and not directly from Spyderco...?
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Wow, you sure are inserting alot of assumption into what I stated.

You know what, I'm not a representative of Spyderco or BBS and I'm guessing you aren't either. I don't think it's fair for us to try an interpret their policies, etc.

I will say this I own a retail store and work with lots of mfgs of product and similar scenarios and I think again you are inserting your own language into something. To be specific it's the word "authorized"...I don't know what Spyderco's language or requirements are but IMO, you are painting a picture that is pretty malicious to all parties. IMO - you are way off base on this one.

jkh said:
That means YOU, ME, Joe, Dick, and Bob if we had the money without being a dealer we can get a exclusive done for us?
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Again, I am not going to speak as if I know something I don't...but I will say my assumption is yes. Have you ever heard the phrase - Money Talks? I'm sure if someone was willing to make the commitment and meet the requirements (whatever that may be) it could happen.

There are all kinds of examples of this in Spyderco's past...they've made lots of knives in the I believe it's called the Q series for small organizations. I'm not sure what the whole story is, but County Comm has versions of Spydercos that aren't available elsewhere. Kershaw does this as well. Cabela's, Snap-On and I'm sure others as I don't know a ton of history have had exclusives.

Sal has come on either here or on the Spyderco forum as well to clarify there is a distinct difference between Sprint runs and Exclusives. Sprint runs have a set limited run and will never be offered again in that handle/steel combination.

I'll see if I can find his post for you.
 
We'll shoot....just read here. It's right on their page.

http://www.spyderco.com/exclusives/

and more importantly, here's specifically what your looking for -

"the customer reserves the right to re-order this item while it is under the exclusive contract. In most circumstances, Spyderco reserves the right to re-produce the item after contractual obligations have been fulfilled. "
 
Im just trying to understand all of this... I'm semi-new to knives.. so, thats why i question what you say. And what i understood from your post was that to buy from Spyderco directly you need to be a dealer... Which means if BBS is not a dealer they buy from wholesale distributors.. OR do you need to be a "dealer" to buy from these wholesale distributors? cause if not then that means anyone with MONEY can just start selling Spyderco knives from purchasing through wholesalers.

And from your quote directly from the Spyderco site I'm not sure if the top "wholesale customer" is implied further in the statement.

"This is defined by Spyderco as a production of any Spyderco product at the request of a wholesale customer in a configuration different than what has been previously produced."

I am in no way saying I'm in sales or even really understand how sales work.. But, it doesn't make sense to me that there aren't rules and regulations that Spyderco has for sales of their products. Its not like I can just open a store and go to the Apple store and buy 500 iPads and start re-selling them at my own store...(or can i?)

Further more, whats the point of a dealer? its just access to buy direct from Golden? Or do i have to be a dealer to legally sell Spyderco products for a living? (not talking about ebay or the exchange etc)

"Dealer: Retail storefront location open to the public 40 or more hours per week and located in a commercialy zoned area.

Initial Order: Opening order must be a minimum of $750.

Annual Minimum: A minimum of $2500 in sales must be purchased annually to maintain Dealer status."
 
jkh - what is it your really upset about?

Do you really think BBS is doing something wrong and that they are pulling some kind of fast one with Spyderco?

It is what it is. There will be knives that are sprint runs and knives that are exclusives. Spyderco is pretty specific on the differences on that link.

As far as rules/regulations - every company will have their own set of requirements for a potential buyer to meet. There is no stock/canned answer. With my business I work with 100's of different suppliers & mfgs and they all have different terms to work with them.

If you want to know specifics, I would suggest you contact them directly.
 
The only people that should be really upset are the fleabay flippers trying to get 300+ for the smurf. I would have to pick up another I like mine so much.
 
Yes, I admit at first i was upset that theres more blue pm2's being produced. Its nowhere meant to be a "hoarder or flipper" like some have talked about.. Its the feeling that i thought "i had 2 of the X amount of blue pm2's produced that not everyone can get anymore if they missed out.' Now it feels like... "oh yeah i got 2 of the blue pm2s that everyone has and can still get from BBS." You can be a collector or a I USE ALL my knives kind of person.. but I'm sure most people have that one or few knives that they are proud of having that not everyone can get ahold of.

Now I understand as JNewell stated there is no limit to exclusives... And I'm accepting the fact that there can be 1 million of these produced or w/e the amount may be.

But, to further the conversation i just didn't understand wholesale distributor access to being a dealer. And there is no beef towards BBS.. It just so happened they were the one with this exclusive and the one that I've emailed asking if they have a store that i can go to and check out other knives in person. And hey.. for all i know maybe bbs is pulling a fast one on spyderco..
 
FWIW, the same thing happened with the Moonglow Manix2.

I have no idea how the dealer requirements apply in this case, and probably no one else here who isn't a Spyderco employee does, either. I do know that SpydercoVT had to surrender its dealership over the B&M requirement, and that was within the past 6-9 months (in other words, a recent event). :(

jkh said:
Yes, I admit at first i was upset that theres more blue pm2's being produced. Its nowhere meant to be a "hoarder or flipper" like some have talked about.. Its the feeling that i thought "i had 2 of the X amount of blue pm2's produced that not everyone can get anymore if they missed out.' Now it feels like... "oh yeah i got 2 of the blue pm2s that everyone has and can still get from BBS." You can be a collector or a I USE ALL my knives kind of person.. but I'm sure most people have that one or few knives that they are proud of having that not everyone can get ahold of.

Now I understand as JNewell stated there is no limit to exclusives... And I'm accepting the fact that there can be 1 million of these produced or w/e the amount may be.

But, to further the conversation i just didn't understand wholesale distributor access to being a dealer. And there is no beef towards BBS.. It just so happened they were the one with this exclusive and the one that I've emailed asking if they have a store that i can go to and check out other knives in person. And hey.. for all i know maybe bbs is pulling a fast one on spyderco..
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I really like my blue para for the M390. No matter how many 1000's are made, it will not lessen the way m390 performs for me. It would be even more awesome if a replacement was easy to get in case I eff up or lose both of mine.
 
Wow this is amazing news! I've wanted this knife for so long but the ebay prices were insane (I was still considering buying it regardless :eek:). I hear ya richardtran, hope we can get our hands on one up here. I wonder why bento won't ship here...
 
May be an ignorant question but what does BBS stand for?

Edit: Never mind, found it.
 
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