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BLUR owners: anybody with this color/texture issue?
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I didn't mean anything specific about additional issues. Only that if there is a problem when you first purchase it MAYBE there is a chance that it slipped by the QC department. I said it "may have" additional problems.
The comment regarding it "only being a $100 knife" wasn't meant to be negative. It was meant that in relation to what you could spend on a knife the price is reasonably inexpensive. I only paid around $65 for mine at Bass Pro but it does retail on Kershaws site for $100. Here is the link: http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=86
I was thinking that maybe the plastic foil was what wore off on the blade rather than the DLC coating coming off. I did check it and it was the DLC that wore off.
I had a similar experience with my Protech Godson. It came with a tactical blade and I used it to cut the top off of an aluminum can. When I looked at the blade after I thought I completely ruined it but it turned out that it was the aluminum from the can that wore off onto the blade. I was completely impressed with the quality of the Protech.
I wouldn't say I'm trolling in this section. I do own knives from more than one manufacturer and I'm new to the forum so I have been looking around trying to find things that interest me. When I saw this thread it reminded me of the Blur and the problem I had. Also I felt that bdws1975 was a bit harsh in his reponse to the posters problem. I was glad to see that he was able to look at it in another way and apologize. Well Done! :thumbup:
As far as the SOG being "ten times the knife", thats my opinion and the last time I checked I was entitled to it. Although it was a bit of an exaggeration.
I really like most of the designs that Kershaw offers but unfortunately my only experience with them is my Chive I've owned for about 6 years and the Blur I bought recently and returned after the problem I had with the blade. I keep the Chive to open mail and do assorted light duty jobs around the house but I have a multitude of other knives in my collection.
Here is a list:
SOG Spec Elite I
Benchmade 670 Apparition
Benchmade Morpho
Benchmade 913 Nitrous Stryker
Benchmade 10750 Vex
Protech Godson
Microtech SOCOM Elite Auto
Microtech Scarab OTF
Lone Wolf Diablo D/A Auto
MOD ADFK
Randall King Swift Striker Auto
Cold Steel Ti-Lite
CRKT M-16
Mcusta MC1 Damascus
So as you can tell I didn't just purchase my first knife and I have a good idea of what is good quality and what is a POS. Why is it that people have to be condescending to newbies on a forum? Please don't assume that just because someone is new they are uninformed or ignorant.
Maybe the Blur didn't deserve to be called a POS but from my personal experience it should have been better for the price.
The comment regarding it "only being a $100 knife" wasn't meant to be negative. It was meant that in relation to what you could spend on a knife the price is reasonably inexpensive. I only paid around $65 for mine at Bass Pro but it does retail on Kershaws site for $100. Here is the link: http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=86
I was thinking that maybe the plastic foil was what wore off on the blade rather than the DLC coating coming off. I did check it and it was the DLC that wore off.
I had a similar experience with my Protech Godson. It came with a tactical blade and I used it to cut the top off of an aluminum can. When I looked at the blade after I thought I completely ruined it but it turned out that it was the aluminum from the can that wore off onto the blade. I was completely impressed with the quality of the Protech.
I wouldn't say I'm trolling in this section. I do own knives from more than one manufacturer and I'm new to the forum so I have been looking around trying to find things that interest me. When I saw this thread it reminded me of the Blur and the problem I had. Also I felt that bdws1975 was a bit harsh in his reponse to the posters problem. I was glad to see that he was able to look at it in another way and apologize. Well Done! :thumbup:
As far as the SOG being "ten times the knife", thats my opinion and the last time I checked I was entitled to it. Although it was a bit of an exaggeration.
I really like most of the designs that Kershaw offers but unfortunately my only experience with them is my Chive I've owned for about 6 years and the Blur I bought recently and returned after the problem I had with the blade. I keep the Chive to open mail and do assorted light duty jobs around the house but I have a multitude of other knives in my collection.
Here is a list:
SOG Spec Elite I
Benchmade 670 Apparition
Benchmade Morpho
Benchmade 913 Nitrous Stryker
Benchmade 10750 Vex
Protech Godson
Microtech SOCOM Elite Auto
Microtech Scarab OTF
Lone Wolf Diablo D/A Auto
MOD ADFK
Randall King Swift Striker Auto
Cold Steel Ti-Lite
CRKT M-16
Mcusta MC1 Damascus
So as you can tell I didn't just purchase my first knife and I have a good idea of what is good quality and what is a POS. Why is it that people have to be condescending to newbies on a forum? Please don't assume that just because someone is new they are uninformed or ignorant.
Maybe the Blur didn't deserve to be called a POS but from my personal experience it should have been better for the price.
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A DLC blade coating getting scratched is hardly an issue, and is not something QC could ever notice.
It would not even be considered a warranty issue.Coatings are like paint on a car, they can scar, scratch, and look bad over time. It's all purely cosmetic. Everyone knows that going in. There are a ton of knife buyers that stay away from coatings for that very reason. Others, have no problems with it.
Look, no manufacturer does their own black coatings, everything is always farmed out. DLC is commonly known as the best available, yet it's not permanent. IMO to hold a factory, a particular knife, and their reputation in bad light based on the fact that your blade finish got scratched up is seriously questionable.
To then add that "maybe" the construction and performance could have issues based on that scratch...well I don't care how many knives you own, it comes of as newbieish. Sorry.
When you come into a Kershaw sub-forum, call out a proven knife as POS, throw a SOG up on you shoulders and exaggerate how much better it is, what kind of response were you looking for?
Maybe, just maybe, you should say what you really mean, and I believe you will find less backlash.
With that, please enjoy your time both here in the Kershaw forum, and with BF's in general.
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Some random thoughts:
Perhaps with threads like this involving a knife like the Blur with so many model variations, when describing a knife with issues, perhaps the specific model (number/name), e.g. 1670TBLKST Tactical Blur, along with the Born On date, e.g. Feb07 could be given as opposed to a non-specific description like a Kershaw Blur? It would give us all a solid starting point to reference and might even aid in determining where something went wrong...like perhaps sides from 2 different model variations ending up on one knife. I agree that with proper QC things like this shouldn't happen, but a company is just a bunch of individuals like us capable of making mistakes...and, well sometimes, stuff just happens...
Another thing that might prove useful is the seller source of these problem knives, when/if the poster doesn't feel that information would be a violation of their privacy. I have to wonder where some of these knives have been and what they've been through after they left the factory and before they find they way into the hands of users.
I have to admit that I'm skeptical of any claim to appreciate the designs of a particular maker immediately followed by the admission that I have no experience with any of them but 2 over a 6+ year span, one of which was sent back as a <unmentionable> and totally useless, apparently not even worth a replacement, based on a coating flaw on a single example. The other has seen, and apparently in the user's opinion (based on my take of his attitude), only deserved use as barely more than a letter opener. I'm sorry, but something about this scenario smells funny, especially with the pointed emphasis on how much better all the other manufacturer's knives are, and how many of them he owns.
My 1670TBLKST Tactical Blur (modified Tanto) has been punished for a year, subjected to difficult cutting tasks, and subjected to numerous bottles of anti-freeze and windshield washer fluid and their foil seals and plastic rims along with many other harsh liquids, and the DLC coating is still flawless. Again, that's only one example on the other side of the coin, but the ultimate telling is in the number of satisfied users, and you can't even call yourself a user if you haven't really used the product.
Reporting weird abnormalities with a knife product is potentially of service to the community when/if it helps spot a trend underway...if there is no trend, then it's harmless and the news bearer(s) should never have coals heaped over their head(s) by fanboys behaving knee-jerk defensively and perhaps immaturely. Of course any issue like this should always be taken to the manufacturer first so they can get involved right away in looking for evidence of any trend or potential breakdown in the QC process. I think most of us agree that Kershaw admirably handles their responsibilities in this area along with CS issues in general.
Anyway, just thinking...
Perhaps with threads like this involving a knife like the Blur with so many model variations, when describing a knife with issues, perhaps the specific model (number/name), e.g. 1670TBLKST Tactical Blur, along with the Born On date, e.g. Feb07 could be given as opposed to a non-specific description like a Kershaw Blur? It would give us all a solid starting point to reference and might even aid in determining where something went wrong...like perhaps sides from 2 different model variations ending up on one knife. I agree that with proper QC things like this shouldn't happen, but a company is just a bunch of individuals like us capable of making mistakes...and, well sometimes, stuff just happens...
Another thing that might prove useful is the seller source of these problem knives, when/if the poster doesn't feel that information would be a violation of their privacy. I have to wonder where some of these knives have been and what they've been through after they left the factory and before they find they way into the hands of users.
I have to admit that I'm skeptical of any claim to appreciate the designs of a particular maker immediately followed by the admission that I have no experience with any of them but 2 over a 6+ year span, one of which was sent back as a <unmentionable> and totally useless, apparently not even worth a replacement, based on a coating flaw on a single example. The other has seen, and apparently in the user's opinion (based on my take of his attitude), only deserved use as barely more than a letter opener. I'm sorry, but something about this scenario smells funny, especially with the pointed emphasis on how much better all the other manufacturer's knives are, and how many of them he owns.
My 1670TBLKST Tactical Blur (modified Tanto) has been punished for a year, subjected to difficult cutting tasks, and subjected to numerous bottles of anti-freeze and windshield washer fluid and their foil seals and plastic rims along with many other harsh liquids, and the DLC coating is still flawless. Again, that's only one example on the other side of the coin, but the ultimate telling is in the number of satisfied users, and you can't even call yourself a user if you haven't really used the product.
Reporting weird abnormalities with a knife product is potentially of service to the community when/if it helps spot a trend underway...if there is no trend, then it's harmless and the news bearer(s) should never have coals heaped over their head(s) by fanboys behaving knee-jerk defensively and perhaps immaturely. Of course any issue like this should always be taken to the manufacturer first so they can get involved right away in looking for evidence of any trend or potential breakdown in the QC process. I think most of us agree that Kershaw admirably handles their responsibilities in this area along with CS issues in general.
Anyway, just thinking...
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A DLC blade coating getting scratched is hardly an issue, and is not something QC could ever notice.
Coatings are like paint on a car, they can scar, scratch, and look bad over time. It's all purely cosmetic. Everyone knows that going in. There are a ton of knife buyers that stay away from coatings for that very reason. Others, have no problems with it.
Look, no manufacturer does their own coatings, everything is always farmed out. DLC is commonly known as the best available, yet it's not permanent. IMO to hold a factory, a particular knife, and their reputation in bad light based on the fact that your blade finish got scratched up is seriously questionable.
To then add that "maybe" the construction and performance could have issues based on that scratch...well I don't care how many knives you own, it comes of as newbieish. Sorry.
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Thomas,
No disrespect intended but you should re-read the comments I wrote. The speculation of additional problems was not related to my own experience regarding the Blur I had, but rather in response to the original poster's problem with the anodizing on his knife. If the frame on each side of the knife do not match and/or have different looking coatings I feel it is safe to assume that whoever was the QC person that passed that knife didn't exactly do his/her job correctly. Also, there is a greater possibility that something else may have slipped by as well if something like that was missed.
It's not to say that there absolutely will be additional problems but missing something like a different texture on each side would seem like it would be hard to miss.
As far as holding a manufacturer and their reputation in a bad light because the blade finish got scratched is in this case warranted. It was the first time I even used the knife and the finish came off very easily. It came off as the blade rubbed against the inside of the mouth of the PLASTIC container when I removed the seal.
I have since, as well as in the past, used other knives for the same job and have never had any issues with them. My Protech, MOD, Benchmade 913, Vex, and Microtech SOCOM all have the same style of tactical finish on the blade and I have never had a problem like this. They have all stood up to abuse equal to and far greater than what caused the finish to rub off of the Blur.
It's too bad really because I really liked the Blur until that happened. I was disappointed to say the least.
I think that if your going to produce a product that is intended to use as a tool then it shouldn't be expected to fail under such light use.
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I will say that coatings can be (rarely) inconsistent in their color (some darker than others) from batch to batch, but once applied, I've personally never seen a "soft" DLC, on any knife. I guess it's possible, I've just never seen it.
You should send the Blur in and let me examine it, I'll sport you a new one for evaluation. No problem.
As to the original poster and the issue of 2 scales with different looks and textures, again I guess this is possible, just not the norm. Warranty can correct the problem.
We will have to just disagree on this one.
You should send the Blur in and let me examine it, I'll sport you a new one for evaluation. No problem.
As to the original poster and the issue of 2 scales with different looks and textures, again I guess this is possible, just not the norm. Warranty can correct the problem.
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Thats a great offer Thomas and thank you but I returned the Blur to Bass Pro the following day. I think I mentioned that in one of my earlier posts. I'm sure Bass Pro shipped it back to the factory because they were as surprised as I was when I showed them why I was returning it.
I will say that even though I had that experience with the Blur it hasn't made me write off Kershaw completely. I had thought maybe it was just the coating on the Kershaws weren't as durable as my other knives but I'll take your word for it that it's not the norm.
I have had my eye on a Splinter for some time and I think I'll be picking one up really soon.
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Had a SOG Twitch 2 for about 1 week. Couldn't get past the fact that you could adjust the blade play with thumb pressure. Any more than that (hex key apply) and the AO feature was more or less disabled. Gave it to my dad who loves it and affectionally calls it his switchblade. Now, bought a chive in 2000/01 and used/abused it to hell and back (my 1st kershaw, more followed) and the little scrapper has no play what so ever. What's my point? No idea, I like the kershaw better i guess. 
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Fantastic post cutter. I was going to say this too. The DLC stands for Diamond Like Coating. It is a nearly scratch-proof coating.
Someone was trolling. Kershaw is the greatest knife company in the world. Kershaw is literally the only brand to which I am 100% loyal. I will NEVER buy another brand of knife.
EDIT: I realize I sound a bit "fanboyish", if that is a word, but I have owned Bucks, Spydercos and Benchmades. None of the other knives or knife companies made me love knives. Kershaw made me love knives. And with Kershaw, my opinions matter.
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Thomas,
I have bought every model Kershaw and ZT currently in production and am not satisfied with any of them. Can I have all new ones?
I have bought every model Kershaw and ZT currently in production and am not satisfied with any of them. Can I have all new ones?
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It is possible if the blade was not cleaned properly before coating that the DLC could come off like he described. I would venture to say that is almost never happens, but it is possible.
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As strange a statement as that is I have to say I am there with you 100 percent.
Why do all of the non regulars want to throw up the fanboy thing. Do they not realize where they are. Go into any manufacturers forum and and you will find equal an equal amount of feirce product loyalty. Heck if you went into the Busse forum and got em all stirred up you would probably hear a knock on your door in half an hour. It would be the guy there to break your legs and keyboard. (and yes that was a joke as far as I know)
Take it easy guys, at any given time half of the people here have the same knife you have a problem with. We would tell you if it was junk. Even though we love our Kershaws its not like we are lying about ours being fine. Yes, things slip through QC take it up with with the company. If the second one does the same thing then it is probably junk. Write them off then, if you do it before it is just slander.
Just my $0.02 for what it's worth.
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If staying loyal to a company that provides me with the quality
knives and a no BS CS to back them up......you can call me a
"fanboy" all you want. :thumbup:
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Amen svrider,
I have and will never know another company that is as concerned for the well-being of its customers than kershaw. Monster, you should take advantage of Thomas' offer, the blur is one of the nicest EDC knives made, they ride light and thin in the pocket and they slice effortlessly, if coating is an issue consider the SG2 blur, there is no finer steel for the money and no coating to worry about.
and regarding the POS comments, just look around at some of the other threads if you can't see why we reacted the way we did, i think everyone here who owns a kershaw and posts here would defend thomas and Tim and Tif to the death. in this forum we are family, and calling something a POS is like insulting our wives or girlfriends, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinions and i am glad there is a place for them to be expressed, but consider the fallout before speaking (as we are all heavily armed) :-D
just my $.02
I have and will never know another company that is as concerned for the well-being of its customers than kershaw. Monster, you should take advantage of Thomas' offer, the blur is one of the nicest EDC knives made, they ride light and thin in the pocket and they slice effortlessly, if coating is an issue consider the SG2 blur, there is no finer steel for the money and no coating to worry about.
and regarding the POS comments, just look around at some of the other threads if you can't see why we reacted the way we did, i think everyone here who owns a kershaw and posts here would defend thomas and Tim and Tif to the death. in this forum we are family, and calling something a POS is like insulting our wives or girlfriends, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinions and i am glad there is a place for them to be expressed, but consider the fallout before speaking (as we are all heavily armed) :-D
just my $.02
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The color difference between the front and back handles could be from the Anodizing - Sometimes we have to have the handles reworked by our Anodizing vendor due to this very issue. The Aluminum is extruded - therefore if the back handle and front handle were made from different batches of aluminum the Anodizing finish has the possibility to be slightly different.
Is this OK ? - No - we inspect the handles - they should be the same color.
Could we have missed it - Sure, again -if you are noticing it from Direct sunlight vs indoors - very possible our QC dept missed it.
DLC Coating - Usual issue here is that whatever you are cutting is coming off and depositing on the blade - looks like scratched coating - but is not.
DLC is by far the best coating for a blade that I have found so far (Cost being considered).
As Thomas has offered - best we can do is apologize, make it right and in the words of Lexus - continue with "the relentless pursuit of perfection"
Hope this helps.
Craig
Is this OK ? - No - we inspect the handles - they should be the same color.
Could we have missed it - Sure, again -if you are noticing it from Direct sunlight vs indoors - very possible our QC dept missed it.
DLC Coating - Usual issue here is that whatever you are cutting is coming off and depositing on the blade - looks like scratched coating - but is not.
DLC is by far the best coating for a blade that I have found so far (Cost being considered).
As Thomas has offered - best we can do is apologize, make it right and in the words of Lexus - continue with "the relentless pursuit of perfection"
Hope this helps.
Craig
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First let me start of by saying thank you very much to Thomas W for the new Blur to play with.
The UPS truck showed up today and dropped it off so I'll use it as my EDC and hopefully it won't have the same problem as last time. Oddly enough I happen to need windshield washer fluid so I'll pick up some tomorrow and see how the DLC stands up to opening the plastic foil seal that ruined it last time.
When I opened up the box and took it out today I remembered why I bought the first one. I absolutely love the look and feel of the thing! I really, really hope I don't have the same issue because I truely want to use it as my EDC. I can't express how disappointed I was when I returned it after the DLC was damaged.
So wish me luck guys, and here's to Thomas and Kershaw for some outstanding customer service!!! :thumbup:
Thanks again!
The UPS truck showed up today and dropped it off so I'll use it as my EDC and hopefully it won't have the same problem as last time. Oddly enough I happen to need windshield washer fluid so I'll pick up some tomorrow and see how the DLC stands up to opening the plastic foil seal that ruined it last time.
When I opened up the box and took it out today I remembered why I bought the first one. I absolutely love the look and feel of the thing! I really, really hope I don't have the same issue because I truely want to use it as my EDC. I can't express how disappointed I was when I returned it after the DLC was damaged.
So wish me luck guys, and here's to Thomas and Kershaw for some outstanding customer service!!! :thumbup:
Thanks again!