Bm 940-1 vs zt0562cf

Comeuppance said:
I've been burned on axis locks too much. Every single one I've had (except for the Adamas) has had or developed some variety of blade play that could not be adjusted out, and just with light use. I like M390, bearing flippers, titanium, smooth carbon fiber, and framelocks. Guess which knife I pre-ordered?
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Really? I heavily use axis lock knives and haven't had those problems. You use locktite? That's the best way to get any axis lock knife adjusted where you want it.
 
Comeuppance said:
I've been burned on axis locks too much. Every single one I've had (except for the Adamas) has had or developed some variety of blade play that could not be adjusted out, and just with light use. I like M390, bearing flippers, titanium, smooth carbon fiber, and framelocks. Guess which knife I pre-ordered?
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I'm not contradicting you, but I've been buying and using Axis knives since the very first 710 came out in 1998 or 1999 and have never had any problems of any kind with the lock. Blade grinds, factory edges and blade centering have sometimes been issues, but never the lock.
 
I'm pretty picky about lockup. Crazy picky about lockup. And centering. I may have just run into bad examples, but my 940, 810, 530, 556, and a couple others I can't even remember all either had or developed vertical or horizontal blade play that couldn't be adjusted out without sacrificing centering and pivot smoothness.

The Adamas, however, is perfect. If they would just make the handle thinner, I wouldn't have sold it.
 
2 shot said:
The dealers I buy ZT's from and many others usually sell for MAP not MSRP. And MAP is 20% of MSRP...20% of $300 is $240, 25% is $225.

I would handle both and buy the one I liked the best.
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Correct...so Benchmade standardized their pricing to what ZT has basically always been(MAP) and now people are saying they wont buy a Benchmade but would buy a ZT. Logic = 0
 
Since benchmade has such a hard time getting a $100 dollar knife right and KAI seems to be able to get a $20 dollar knife right, then the answer should be clear. If you want S90V for as reasonable of a price as you can get, go to spyderco. That and ZT has experience dealing with customers who demand quality that $200 should bring because that's where they normally hang out.
 
Kyle_4 said:
Correct...so Benchmade standardized their pricing to what ZT has basically always been(MAP) and now people are saying they wont buy a Benchmade but would buy a ZT. Logic = 0
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I'm willing to bet that if ZT raises their prices 20% ish across the board, people would be just as upset.

The issue is the MAP price on a ZT is a fair price and represents a good value. MAP on Benchmades are out of whack and too high for what you get, that's why retailers had to discount them 25% more to get them to move.

If Benchmade would have lowered their MSRPs and then enforced a MAP that was close to what they were selling for, people would have been fine with it.

You sound like one of those people that would rather buy a shirt with a "MSRP" of $100 that was marked 80% OFF!!!! Only $20!!!! than to buy a shirt that just said $20.00 on the price tag.
 
Kyle_4 said:
so Benchmade standardized their pricing to what ZT has basically always been(MAP) and now people are saying they wont buy a Benchmade but would buy a ZT. Logic = 0
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Back in December, by enforcing MAP pricing (15% off MSRP), Benchmade in effect raised prices by about 35% for what most of us who were getting them for online. That's an undeniable fact. So, what are we getting for in return? Before, something like a 586 at $137 was value priced and definitely worth getting. At $187 now it has a lot of competition. Consider also that the quality hasn't improved. The first batch of Contego M390 exclusively from KnifeWorks had many with non-centered blades at $195! See the thread: M390 810-1401 Contego.

Right now for most buying Benchmade knives online the price is too high for the quality you're getting.

With regular production ZTs you're assured at least MAP pricing (20% off MSRP) while stocks are low but once stocks are full you commonly see 35% off MSRP but it's just not advertised.
 
Scurvy092 said:
I'm willing to bet that if ZT raises their prices 20% ish across the board, people would be just as upset.

The issue is the MAP price on a ZT is a fair price and represents a good value. MAP on Benchmades are out of whack and too high for what you get, that's why retailers had to discount them 25% more to get them to move.

If Benchmade would have lowered their MSRPs and then enforced a MAP that was close to what they were selling for, people would have been fine with it.

You sound like one of those people that would rather buy a shirt with a "MSRP" of $100 that was marked 80% OFF!!!! Only $20!!!! than to buy a shirt that just said $20.00 on the price tag.
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This man speaks truth. A regular 940 with Al handle and S30V blade costs $180 MAP. A ZT0801 with Ti scales, Elmax blade, and ball-bearing washers cost $190 MAP. As much as I love my 940, at MAP pricing it is simply not competitive with ZT or even Spyderco offerings.
 
Random Dan said:
A regular 940 with Al handle and S30V blade costs $180 MAP. A ZT0801 with Ti scales, Elmax blade, and ball-bearing washers cost $190 MAP. As much as I love my 940, at MAP pricing it is simply not competitive with ZT or even Spyderco offerings.
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This is a good example. However, the difference is not just the quality and material but now with plenty of ZT 0801 in stock it's easy to find one from reputable dealers for $160!!

Benchmade is simply not competitive on either price or quality or material.
 
Scurvy092 said:
I'm willing to bet that if ZT raises their prices 20% ish across the board, people would be just as upset.

The issue is the MAP price on a ZT is a fair price and represents a good value. MAP on Benchmades are out of whack and too high for what you get, that's why retailers had to discount them 25% more to get them to move.

If Benchmade would have lowered their MSRPs and then enforced a MAP that was close to what they were selling for, people would have been fine with it.

You sound like one of those people that would rather buy a shirt with a "MSRP" of $100 that was marked 80% OFF!!!! Only $20!!!! than to buy a shirt that just said $20.00 on the price tag.
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Fair enough...being up in Canada it is a bit different purchasing knives. By the time you add in shipping, exchange rate, 2-3 weeks shipping, potential to get seized at customs sometimes its just worth it to pay the extra and buy locally. The prices that you guys down there after MAP pricing are what we have always had to deal with. I still think most Benchmades are a fair price (they were a better deal before obviously).

A shirt for $100??? I'm not that crazy ;)
 
I HAD a 943. Really loved it at first, and super fun to flip, but it was soon totally outclassed by my small Fantoni HB02 as my EDC compact folder (with 3.2" s30V blade, 4" incredibly ergonomic and extremely jimped handle, titanium liners, G10 scales, even a titanium pocket clip). The 'feel' was just so much MORE than the toyish-feeling 943. For $225 though, I guess it should be better :) ..... So for a slightly larger heavier-duty version of the Fantoni HB02, I might pick up the ZT 0562 (for weekends/wearing jeans). I just don't care much for CF, or 'shiny', so Elmax and G10 for me! Elmax still looks to be in-between S30V and m390 in the steel chart, so PLENTY good enough.
 
If you are worried about the knife providing grip and want to stick with ZT and bearings, you can get the 560. I haven't seen a single person say that knife doesn't have enough traction. It doesn't have the M390 blade, but sadly all of the ZT knives with M390 blades appear to more of fashion over function, with smoother carbon fiber handles instead of a textured G10.
 
Well, they're both going to be regular production so ya got time to save for both.
 
I have a bm943 and a zt0350 and they are completely different knives
I think I will buy a 0562

The bm will be more in the gentleman folder category.
The ZT will be a little bite more heavy duty

Neither will disappoint you IMHO you have to choose based on what you will use your knife for
 
Scurvy092 said:
I'm want the 940-1 but I'm going to wait for initial reports on the quality before I drop money on it. The regular 940 is a fantastic nice for 120 bucks but I don't know if I trust benchmade implicitly to deliver a perfect $250ish knife like I do zt.

That being said, I will buy a 0562 as soon as they are available.
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I concur. +1 ZT seems more in line with their price levels.
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