BOB vs E&E bag ?

I think of BOB and E&E as very similar if not interchangeable. However, I think of PSK's as different only in the sense that PSK to me is just to live where BOB could include your PSK along with a few things to account for human threats (guns, ammo) I would say pry-bars and lock-picks would fall into the BOB/E&E area just because they aren't NECESSARY to live. This is not absolute of course and is just my opinion, I am sure given different circumstances that would not apply. Did that make sense?:confused:
 
It should have probably stayed here, it would have probably gotten better play here but I posted to it over there.

Urban stuff and grittier "survivalism" and "survivalist" mindsets don't go over very well there.
 
Don Rearic said:
It should have probably stayed here, it would have probably gotten better play here but I posted to it over there.

Urban stuff and grittier "survivalism" and "survivalist" mindsets don't go over very well there.
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So true. I am a little disillusioned with how many "what ifs" I hear over there. I really want to know how many days a year anyone over there spends camping. I'm betting it isn't as much as they spend working, driving to and from work, or wandering around in their respective suburbs looking for dinner and a movie. Urban to many people seems to bring visions of decayed inner cities, fending off zombie and drug-crazed lunatics. We know it's much more. Survivalism (self defense/self preservation) starts in your own home and expands outward. Rant over now.
 
You guys are probably right. The reason I was asking was because two of my co-worker's made the comment that the tools we were talking about sounded more like E&E than BOB and it lead to a "disagreement". . .
 
Tengu Joker said:
You guys are probably right. The reason I was asking was because two of my co-worker's made the comment that the tools we were talking about sounded more like E&E than BOB and it lead to a "disagreement". . .
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The way I see it...bugging out could easily become amazingly similar to E&E, to the point they were one and the same, in some circumstances.
 
I think in this day and age that we are living in right now, and the threats that the US is facing from all angles, a BOB and E/E could be very much one in the same given the situation our nation is facing.
 
I think BOB and E&E bags are interchangeable for the most part...I know mine is.

To "bug out" is to escape, correct? Where you currently are isn't safe, or can't support you in one way or another, so you are leaving, bugging out, escaping.

And I see no reason to purposely ignore any kind of evasion scenarios while you're traveling with a pack on and not much else, especially in some kind of disaster.
 
Outside of a private forum or one with fairly strict moderation by people that want to discuss this stuff...it's quite hard to do it in the open without derogatory comments about "paranoia" and "mall ninja" and "wannabes" being thrown around liberally.

Even being able to shut down another human being with improvised weapons is just begging to open a can of worms that I don't even want to sort through again.

Shame, too, because even if you never intend to do any of it, the brainstorming and gaming that can go on is great.
 
I think this is a good topic.

I actually find myself pegged out on the Paranoia meter, by popular standards...

That is why I joke about it... I talk about Plaque Ninjas and Zombie Pirates....

Maybe we could look for one of the Zombie boards to post to, they seem to have the right formula. Serious concern couched in the language of fantasy....

Anyway,
Marion
 
It really sucks, since everyone seems to want to talk about it, we all need to talk about it, yet everyone is afraid to talk about it.
 
I must be in the minority here.
I've always considered a BoB to be an E&E bag on steroids.
to me an E&E kit is minimalist because in order to need to escape, something must have already been done to limit my options/choices/equipment.
A BoB kit is planned out and I choose (to a greater or lesser extent) when it's time to go.

Of course, I also don't have a problem with them being synonymous terms. E&E sounds "tactical", BoB sounds more "strategic". (or maybe the other way around)
 
Well, there are other things to consider as well. "Bugging out" basically means leaving a Shelter In Place (SIP) situation and becoming either an evader or a refugee, depending on exactly what happens, exactly what you are doing and the precise situation. "Evader" sounds cool, "refugee" has a major amount of suck attached to it. Yet, in some cases, that is exactly what are you sentencing yourself to, SIP has become too dangerous or something else is going on and you choose to become a refugee. Perhaps the Hobos and true Bums of old were more in the Evader category and THE HOMELESS as a monolithic group are more of the refugee variety...that can quickly shift gears and unass an area quickly if need be...become Evaders.

I'll look into a few options for discussing this stuff. The old E&E List was viable but it's a PITA. The old forum set aside for that seemed to fall apart under the weight of "don't give a sh*t" by everyone that said they wanted to participate but instead stayed here for the most part. To be honest, I'm not really interested in showing cops how to do stuff so they can go write about it on copsites. If that pisses people off, don't care about that either! :D
 
The way I see it, from a purely civilian/citizen perspective, they are slightly different levels of contingency planning. With a Bob being one of the larger kits we put together and keep in our vehicles loaded with things we'd really like to have along in the hopes of having some things we really want to work with in the event of some catastrophic happenstance that causes us to have to leave from where ever we are are at the time whether we be at home, out running errands, at work, or out having dinner with our families. And the E&E kits are those small "minimal" kits we put together that hold whatever basic life support "tools" we can carry inconspicuously on our persons that are geared to our specific areas...often modular and scattered on us... or easily put our hands on in the event we have to leave on foot from that particular spot in the opposite direction of our cars, homes, or larger kits.... what we actually manage to have on hand once in motion as response to said situation. But both types can still end up being each depending on the situation at hand.

With any luck they could be combined into one kit later if all goes as planned but how often does that happen. I imagine you could have asked the some of the people crowding the north bound lanes of the freeways headed out of New Orleans if they were bugging out and they would have said yes, and then asked others if they were evading and escaping the situation behind them and they would have said yest too
 
My BOB is a heavier kit for gettin out of dodge and traveling to another location. It contains most everything needed to ensure my survival etc for several days. It is very similar to a standard 3-5 day combat load in many ways.

My E&E kit is contained within the BOB where it can be easily accessed and seperated from the BOB in the event thaat I need to ditch my gear and travel on without it. Many of the same items are always in my pockets as well.

This is the reason for so many of the military gear suppliers having an independent E&E module. There are times when things can get so sticky that one has to ditch and abandon all your other gear and take off with only basic survival items.

RAT PACK #103
 
Well, my Rat E&E kit are part of my EDC bag, and part of my BOB. If I find myself in a scenario were I have to travel as fast as possible, cross country, I might just ditch the BOB and take the E&E, Victorinox SOS and my PSK. It would depend a lot of what was happening, weather (No way I would attempt it in the middle of winter up here).

I am hard pressed to actually think of a realistic scenario what would push me to drop my full BOB or EDC bag, but one that comes ti mind is if I needed to carry/transport an injured child. If one of my kids was unable to walk, then I would ditch the BOB to carry him. Something like that, or in the case that I had to travel very fast thru my AO to get to a location.

It is extremely unlikely that I would drop my BOB or EDC bag unless I had a location I could get to in a matter of hours thou.
 
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