Boker 440c hold up well?

o4tg said:
Lol, Boker has very few knives that are 440C. Most of their stuff is 8cr13mov labeled 440C. A VERY large portion of their "440C" knives are just relabeled pre existing Chinese knives from companies like Sanrenmu and Enlan. Just like how a lot of their knives marked "Solingen" on the tang are marked "Made in China" under their epoxied on grip panels. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it still amazes me anyone buys their knives anymore.
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So, are the Decade Edition/VG-10 blades 8CR13MOV as well? Also, I just purchased one of the new Ti/CF Exskelibur's with S35VN tonight as a matter of fact. What steel should I be expecting on that one?

For the price and the fit and finish, I am very pleased with these...



 
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o4tg said:
Lol, Boker has very few knives that are 440C. Most of their stuff is 8cr13mov labeled 440C. A VERY large portion of their "440C" knives are just relabeled pre existing Chinese knives from companies like Sanrenmu and Enlan. Just like how a lot of their knives marked "Solingen" on the tang are marked "Made in China" under their epoxied on grip panels. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it still amazes me anyone buys their knives anymore.
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No ... that could be true for some Boker Magnum knives, but not for Boker or Boker Plus
 
o4tg said:
Lol, Boker has very few knives that are 440C. Most of their stuff is 8cr13mov labeled 440C. A VERY large portion of their "440C" knives are just relabeled pre existing Chinese knives from companies like Sanrenmu and Enlan. Just like how a lot of their knives marked "Solingen" on the tang are marked "Made in China" under their epoxied on grip panels. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it still amazes me anyone buys their knives anymore.
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What are your sources for this claim? Your claim is at best dubious if you do not not add your premises on which it is based. My Boker is definitely N695 steel which is basically another name for 440C. What premise do I base this statement? My personal experience has shown me that based on my use of this knife it performs, sharpens, cuts, and holds it edge just a little bit better than all my Cold Steel AUS8 knives, which is exactly where it falls on most performance charts.
 
Spyder59 said:
What are your sources for this claim? Your claim is at best dubious if you do not not add your premises on which it is based. My Boker is definitely N695 steel which is basically another name for 440C. What premise do I base this statement? My personal experience has shown me that based on my use of this knife it performs, sharpens, cuts, and holds it edge just a little bit better than all my Cold Steel AUS8 knives, which is exactly where it falls on most performance charts.
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I wonder the same thing...
 
o4tg said:
Lol, Boker has very few knives that are 440C. Most of their stuff is 8cr13mov labeled 440C. A VERY large portion of their "440C" knives are just relabeled pre existing Chinese knives from companies like Sanrenmu and Enlan. Just like how a lot of their knives marked "Solingen" on the tang are marked "Made in China" under their epoxied on grip panels. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it still amazes me anyone buys their knives anymore.
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I can't comment on what you mention, but I have to say after seeing the sheath and edge geometry on my Boker + Apparo, it amazes me they still exist as a knife company... That knife is solid but a sad joke otherwise...

Gaston
 
o4tg said:
Lol, Boker has very few knives that are 440C. Most of their stuff is 8cr13mov labeled 440C. A VERY large portion of their "440C" knives are just relabeled pre existing Chinese knives from companies like Sanrenmu and Enlan. Just like how a lot of their knives marked "Solingen" on the tang are marked "Made in China" under their epoxied on grip panels. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it still amazes me anyone buys their knives anymore.
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Got any proof for that accusation?
 
Spyder59 said:
What are your sources for this claim? Your claim is at best dubious if you do not not add your premises on which it is based. My Boker is definitely N695 steel which is basically another name for 440C. What premise do I base this statement? My personal experience has shown me that based on my use of this knife it performs, sharpens, cuts, and holds it edge just a little bit better than all my Cold Steel AUS8 knives, which is exactly where it falls on most performance charts.
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There is actually some validity to the claim but its not as cut and dry as some may think. There was some slight drama a few years back about it on the forum and I do believe it was clarified that they are Chinese 440C equivalents. Does that mean anything? Not really. There is no one company that makes 440C. All 440C means is that the chemical composition of the steel falls within the parameters as 440C. Its not like with crucible where if you have a blade of S30V you know it was made by crucible as they own the rights to the name as well as the process for making it. So when boker says they use 440C it may be a Chinese equivalent but to say it isn't "real" 440C is misleading as any steel manufacturer can call their steel 440C if it has the right properties. I have owned and used boker 440C knives many times and have never had a problem with them. To argue whether its 440 or not is definitely splitting hairs IMHO as no company that I know of discloses their source for their 440 steel to begin with so for all we know companies could be importing a Chinese equivalent themselves and we would never really know. And the Chinese equivalent of 440C is 9Cr13MoV and sometimes 9cr18mov is used. 8cr13mov is actually their equivalent for aus8.
 
PURPLEDC said:
There is actually some validity to the claim but its not as cut and dry as some may think. There was some slight drama a few years back about it on the forum and I do believe it was clarified that they are Chinese 440C equivalents. Does that mean anything? Not really. There is no one company that makes 440C. All 440C means is that the chemical composition of the steel falls within the parameters as 440C. Its not like with crucible where if you have a blade of S30V you know it was made by crucible as they own the rights to the name as well as the process for making it. So when boker says they use 440C it may be a Chinese equivalent but to say it isn't "real" 440C is misleading as any steel manufacturer can call their steel 440C if it has the right properties. I have owned and used boker 440C knives many times and have never had a problem with them. To argue whether its 440 or not is definitely splitting hairs IMHO as no company that I know of discloses their source for their 440 steel to begin with so for all we know companies could be importing a Chinese equivalent themselves and we would never really know. And the Chinese equivalent of 440C is 9Cr13MoV and sometimes 9cr18mov is used. 8cr13mov is actually their equivalent for aus8.
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I do know from experience from my Schrade SCHF 16, which is 9cr18mov, that it's very good steel. I like it better in edge retention and wear than my AUS8 steel. I always thought it was a Chinese AUS8 equivalent. Now I know better. I wouldn't mind having it as a 440C substitute, because now in retrospect I know it's supposed to be the same, And I wouldn't be able to discern a noticeable difference.
 
LOL, I never said their VG10 or S35 was 8CR or mislabeled. That's just stretching it. If the actual manufacturer says "this is 8CR13MOV", being close to 440C does not make it such. As stated above, 8CR13MOV IS NOT 440C. If we blend the definitions of steel that much, the entire knife industry will lose it's definition.

It's marketing. You'll notice Boker has models marked "Solingen" and "Made in Solingen". I asked my buddy for pictures but he sold the knife years ago. He gave me a few details though, so I do have to correct myself. It was not a plus model, and it was actually made in Argentina.

My problem is the same my friend had. He bought a knife marked "Solingen" assuming it was made in Solingen. Now clearly it doesn't say "Made in Solingen", but I'd bet there's more than a few people who have bought knives marked as such under the assumption it was made in Germany, not a third world country. If that vagueness is intentional or not is up for the consumer to decide.

Most big knife companies don't mark the company country of origin, but the manufacturing country of origin. Boker has broken no laws, and it's not to say it's not still a quality product. It's just incredibly sketchy to me.
 
o4tg,

As they say down south "Well bless your heart".

Wheeeoo,

That was a round about, drawn-out way to learn nothing.
Sorry I was so polite.
 
Wowbagger said:
o4tg,

As they say down south "Well bless your heart".

Wheeeoo,

That was a round about, drawn-out way to learn nothing.
Sorry I was so polite.
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Sorry, I don't post with the goal of internet tough guy appeasement. Sorry you took an opinion about a company that cares nothing about you personally, so personal. :)

Edit: Since you do need to learn something and stated your unwillingness to comprehend my own posts, here's a thread filled with information from others in regards to the differences from 440C to 8CR13MOV.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/938306-8Cr13mov-VS-440C

A post discussing how even 9CR does not perform as 440C, from one of our very own forums experts.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...er-440C-STAINLESS-STEEL?p=5931888#post5931888
 
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