Boker Magnum Series - Trash?

[knarfeng]

I know they are made for other buyers.
Boker does actual QC on them though.

Out of curiosity, how do you know that?

Rough Rider knives are said to have pretty good quality and Boker has nothing to do with them.

What are you talking about, how did we get into rough rider?

You said that now that Boker markets them, that Boker does the QC.

--Do you know that they are better now than when they were marketed by another company?
--Do you know that Boker QC's them?
--Do you know that they are better because Boker QC's them, or did Boker change the specs in the contract so that the Chinese company who makes them tightened up their own QC?

I inferred, perhaps erroneously, that you were implying that the only reason that the knives were better was because of BOKER QC, as if Chinese QC could not possibly be good enough to ensure good knives. Rough Rider knives do not have Boker QC, but are still good.

 

[Knife Outlet]

I think it would be fair to say that the Magnums are better than they used to be and that they are similar in quality to the Chinese imports from Gerber and others. I wouldn't view them as having anything particularly positive or negative when compared to other Chinese imports. The quality of Chinese knives has improved remarkably over the past 3 or 4 years, probably due to the pressure from Western "manufacturers." The Taiwanese still have better quality and better quality control.

 

[catochris]

I got a few and they just did not hold up at all. the only one out of 6 that is okay is the one that is still in the box .
Smith and Weson are a better choice I gave away over fifty of the and they are still working fine . And they got a harder life than most ha ha ha Some of the smiths are in the sand and some are in the jungle and a few in Kenya.
I used one for about a year even cut out a few windshields .

 

[macgregor22]

You said that now that Boker markets them, that Boker does the QC.

--Do you know that they are better now than when they were marketed by another company?
--Do you know that Boker QC's them?
--Do you know that they are better because Boker QC's them, or did Boker change the specs in the contract so that the Chinese company who makes them tightened up their own QC?

I inferred, perhaps erroneously, that you were implying that the only reason that the knives were better was because of BOKER QC, as if Chinese QC could not possibly be good enough to ensure good knives. Rough Rider knives do not have Boker QC, but are still good.

No, I meant Boker does QC on the knives they buy for themselves not for every knife made by that manufacturer.
Whether or not a individual knife made for the Boker Mag. series is better then a knife made for BUDK brand can not be determined, but the Boker brand is generally of much better quality.

I still don't see what rough rider has to do with anything

 

[knarfeng]

That's OK, I'll drop the rough rider comparison. It is obviously not working.

My point is that you jumped to two conclusions.
--Because Boker knives are normally of better quality than BUDK, that THESE knives must be of better quality than when they were sold by BUDK. But you have no data to prove or disprove that.

--and that the cause must be that Boker are doing their own QC.

Even if your assumption of a change in quality were correct, there are other possible reasons for such a change. Boker might have just changed the contract with the Chinese supplier to require the Chinese supplier to hold a tighter tolerance at a somewhat higher price than BUDK was paying.

So, unless you absolutely know that Boker does get higher quality on this particular knife by doing their own separate QC, your original statement is unjustified.

 

[rifon2]

I think it would be fair to say that the Magnums are better than they used to be and that they are similar in quality to the Chinese imports from Gerber and others. I wouldn't view them as having anything particularly positive or negative when compared to other Chinese imports. The quality of Chinese knives has improved remarkably over the past 3 or 4 years, probably due to the pressure from Western "manufacturers." The Taiwanese still have better quality and better quality control.

I think Knife Outlet is right on the mark here.
But I still avoid knives that are made in mainland China.

 

[macgregor22]

That's OK, I'll drop the rough rider comparison. It is obviously not working.

My point is that you jumped to two conclusions.
--Because Boker knives are normally of better quality than BUDK, that THESE knives must be of better quality than when they were sold by BUDK. But you have no data to prove or disprove that.

--and that the cause must be that Boker are doing their own QC.

Even if your assumption of a change in quality were correct, there are other possible reasons for such a change. Boker might have just changed the contract with the Chinese supplier to require the Chinese supplier to hold a tighter tolerance at a somewhat higher price than BUDK was paying.

So, unless you absolutely know that Boker does get higher quality on this particular knife by doing their own separate QC, your original statement is unjustified.

So your saying you have examined every single knife made in a design shared by BUDK and Boker, because thats the only way you would know they are of the exact same quality.
Boker does QC, and they have a warranty; both of those other brands lack.

 

[Kiah]

I will add this. I owned a Timber Wolf Cactus Bowie. It is now sold as the Boker Elk Hunter. I paid $9.95 for it. It was a gorgeous knife. Fit and finish were flawless, so I know that the quality was fine on that particular knife. I kinda wished I would have kept it and tested it's performance. This particular TW was sold by several unscrupulous Ebay dealers as a custom and I watched quite a few times as they were sold for ten or twenty times their cost. I, unfortunately, am a bit too moralistic and sold mine for a few dollars on the exchange.

Another interesting thing to note is that the TW knives now sold by Boker were listed as 420 when sold by BudK, but are listed as 440 from Boker.

 

[knarfeng]

Not at all. I did not say that. I am essentially asking if you personnally have done such a comparison.

Your original comment was stated as a confirmed fact that the knives that were once sold as BUDK and are now sold as Boker are now better because Boker does its own QC on the knives.

I asked if you personally knew this to be true.
Do you know that there is an increase in quality? and
Do you know that the increase is specifically due to BOKER themselves performing extra QC?

Unless you personally know these things to be true, your original statement is an assumption and not a fact.

I am asking that you differentiate between assumption and fact.

Not to worry, most people do not know the difference between and assumption and a fact. But it is helpful if you do.

 

[macgregor22]

I know the difference between an assumption and a fact.
I have just been trying to figure out what knid of arguement you are making.

I have actually compared a Boker Mag. with a knife I know is sold as a Boker sometimes but was marked under the brand Maxim at my local brick and mortar.
They were not the same model but the Boker had better fit and finish IMHO.
The Boker was a spear point sythetic handle ti-lite style blade and the Maxim was a similiar style blade just with wood handles.
So there, thats my personal experiance.
I have handled some of the Magnum fixed blades also, which have excellent fit and finish.

 

[cutter17]

After reading through this thread I went out last night and bought a Magnum. It cost me $9.95 plus tax. It really isn't that bad a knife for that price. The edge wasn't paper slicing sharp, but a few minutes on my Spyderco sharpener enabled it to slice and shave. Don't know how long that will last, but we'll see. It is a framelock with some type of root wood overlays. It did not come with a pocket clip, but it has one now, a permanent one! Anyway, it will make a nice beater, and a great glovebox knife.

 

[Flatlander1963]

I have a Magnum Lord. It is a Damascus lockback similar in size to a Buck 110. It is thinner however and has nice burl wood inlay. Extremely high value for $35. You don't see that many of these around but I recommend it to anyone in the market for a value damascus purchase. And to top it off the damascus is as good as some of pricey U.S. models...won't name names though.