Boker Plus Schanz Integral Dagger (SID) 7"

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BabyJWuu

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Here is an interesting dagger I stumbled across, I like the price/quality point Boker Plus Schanz Integral Dagger (SID) 7" Double Edged Blade. It is made from .25" stock, the customers that bought it seem to be complaining it is to heavy :eek: but I like that it is heavy :thumbup: I know it is in a moderate quality steel 440C, but still not a bad blade for the price $99 :D Any comments on the knife would be appreciated!

The downside is they ruined the deal with a low quality leather sheath. There is a leather worker within an hours drive of me, so I could get something nice made, but I would have preferred a kydex sheath with a lock and one-handed draw.

What options are available for buying a kydex sheath or having a kydex sheath made custom? Expensive? What are you people doing for these types of unfortunate situations?

Thank you,

BabyJWuu :D
 
Looks like a well made knife. 440c should do great for stabbing people and wont stain from blood. Doubt that many would really carry it so I wouldn't think the sheath would be an issue. There are plenty of Kydex sheath makers here on the forum that you could send it to.
 
It is a dagger my friend. Guess you could use it on pigs but I think ones with a little more blade length are preferred. You should be able to do a lot of stabbing before 440c looses its' edge. I don't consider it a "survival" knife or a "bushcrafter". It's almost as dangerous to you as it is to someone else when carried.

They should etch "Killing is my business and business is Good !" on the blade. :D

It is a sweet knife. :thumbup:
 
Sargent 666 said:
It is a sweet knife. :thumbup:
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Hi, have you heard of this knife before?

I know about the Boker Applegate-Fairbairn 5.5 Premium Dagger 5-1/2" Blade with Micarta Handle, which is also in 440C, but with a 5.5" blade as opposed to 7" and triple the price :eek:

Why do you think it is so much lower in price?

The cheaper knife might even be a better knife considering the .25" thickness (unknown?!)

Here is a YouTube video of it, definitely some heft to it, quite impressive :)

Cordially,

BabyJWuu :)
 
I almost purchased one of those from the BokerUSA catalog but opted for the Voxknives "Rold" with Kydex sheath. Just out of curiosity, is the Schanz Integral Dagger produced in China?. The Boker Plus "Rold" I purchased is made of D2 steel and marked "China". Regards, oki
 
Great knife, it's made from one piece of stock and I am not sure what you have been reading but 440C from Boker is a very good steel. It wasn't that long ago when 440c, 154cm and ATS 34 were all considered high level, premium steels. Now with the advent of more modern steels they have somehow fell off, still, for toughness though they are great steels.

That Boker Schanz is on my very short list of knives to get, micarta and 440c are like peanut butter and jelly.
 
BabyJWuu said:
Hi, have you heard of this knife before?

I know about the Boker Applegate-Fairbairn 5.5 Premium Dagger 5-1/2" Blade with Micarta Handle, which is also in 440C, but with a 5.5" blade as opposed to 7" and triple the price :eek:

Why do you think it is so much lower in price?

The cheaper knife might even be a better knife considering the .25" thickness (unknown?!)

Here is a YouTube video of it, definitely some heft to it, quite impressive :)


Cordially,

BabyJWuu :)
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Simple Answer: Made in Germany vs. Made in Asia. The Boker line has multiple lines. The AF knives are from the German made line, the Schantz from the made in Asia Boker Plus line. I have knives from both, and the quality seems about the same.

I'd go for the Schantz if you like it and have a custom sheath made. There are plenty of great leatherworkers that would make amazing sheaths for you.

BTW, I have the AF fixed. Well made knife, too.
 
BabyJWuu said:
Hi, have you heard of this knife before?

I know about the Boker Applegate-Fairbairn 5.5 Premium Dagger 5-1/2" Blade with Micarta Handle, which is also in 440C, but with a 5.5" blade as opposed to 7" and triple the price :eek:

Why do you think it is so much lower in price?

The cheaper knife might even be a better knife considering the .25" thickness (unknown?!)

Here is a YouTube video of it, definitely some heft to it, quite impressive :)

Cordially,

BabyJWuu :)
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The Applegate-Fairbairn knives are classics and have been made by different companies over the years pretty sure. That one with the Micarta handle is an upgrade over the other models and probably meant as a collectable.

With CNC machines the integral is probably pretty easy for them to make.

They probably have to pay royalties to someone on the Applegate-Fairbairn also and Harsey is in on the design.

It comes with a Spec-Ops sheath ... more money and is made in Germany.

Like mentioned before the integral is made in Taiwan.
 
Zombie Zeke said:
That Boker Schanz is on my very short list of knives to get, micarta and 440c are like peanut butter and jelly.
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Funny :D

Yes, I remember twenty-years ago, when all the army surplus had were knives in 440C, it was a great steel in those days!

Why do you think this knife is 1/3 the price of the Boker Applegate?

I would like to have seen a glass breaker on the end with a lanyard hole. That leather sheath it comes with is rather unnerving, it appears the knife could easily slip out of it :eek:

I cannot tell from the knife image, but do those holes in the micarta handle allow you to undo the screw and remove it or is it riveted onto the tang :confused:

Thanks for your input.

BabyJWuu
 
BabyJWuu said:
Funny :D

Yes, I remember twenty-years ago, when all the army surplus had were knives in 440C, it was a great steel in those days!

Why do you think this knife is 1/3 the price of the Boker Applegate?
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440C is still a great steel in terms or corrosion resistance and its ability to take a high polish. Lots of custom makers who make presentation or display knives use it for that purpose because it will take a brilliant mirror polish. It's been eclipsed by lots of steels in terms or edge retention, but for making pretty knives it's still probably as good a steel as can be found.

I think the other posters answered the cost question pretty well: royalties for using the name/design and country of manufacture.
 
Pretty much been said. The difference in manufacturing site's. I got one of the SID's and then gave it to my son. It is a great looking knife and is a very well made knife that has excellent fit/finish. I sorta liked the sheath.:thumbup: Anyway, I plan to get another for myself. Some of the other B-P fixed blades, made in Asia, like the Valkryie and the Collectors 2010, are also knives I have and are knives that were you not told where made, you could easily mistake them for Germany or America as the knives are so well made.
 
Just Picked up my Boker SID, It is a Fearsome Beast! My first Boker, Very well Crafted, Good Quality control at Boker Plus!
 
The Boker Schanz is a fantastic looking knife and if it had a kydex sheath I would have already bought it. I'm thinking of ordering it from S&R cutlery in Ontario [ my local knife store doesn't have Boker] and having them ship it directly to Eric, at On Scene Tactical, who is also in Ontario, and makes great kydex sheaths. Eric would then have to ship it to me in Vancouver. I wonder if that little scenario would work?
In another vein; I'm half amused and half annoyed by the lamebrained comments that always seem to pop up when a knife that doesn't cost a million dollars is discussed. I wonder why those guys even comment about a knife they hold in disdain? [the original poster didn't ask whether everybody thought it was a great knife ] Maybe I should post on the next Busse thread and call everybody who would consider spending $600 ,and way more, on a knife, spendthrift fools. [if they're not fools, they're either rich or single]
 
Well put man, I feel the same, Got it today and i've been taking a really good look at it. If its the 440c they are concerned about, it is the sharpest double edge blade ive ever held! As for the sheath, It is a little oddly formed but nice leather. If your thinking about picking one up do it, Quality control is good, and its a monster!
 
Larry Turko said:
The Boker Schanz is a fantastic looking knife and if it had a kydex sheath I would have already bought it. I'm thinking of ordering it from S&R cutlery in Ontario [ my local knife store doesn't have Boker] and having them ship it directly to Eric, at On Scene Tactical, who is also in Ontario, and makes great kydex sheaths. Eric would then have to ship it to me in Vancouver. I wonder if that little scenario would work?
In another vein; I'm half amused and half annoyed by the lamebrained comments that always seem to pop up when a knife that doesn't cost a million dollars is discussed. I wonder why those guys even comment about a knife they hold in disdain? [the original poster didn't ask whether everybody thought it was a great knife ] Maybe I should post on the next Busse thread and call everybody who would consider spending $600 ,and way more, on a knife, spendthrift fools. [if they're not fools, they're either rich or single]
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Well said, it looks like a pretty good dagger. There are other good 440c daggers like the entrek commando and merc.
 
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