Boker Reality based knife

The blade profile doesn't look like it would be good for much more than stabbing.
 
If it was a balanced case, then that could tip the case against you. It looks like a weapon, and is advertised as one, because it IS one. It has "Blood Groves", for gods sake.

By all means, if you want to carry a weapon, then you can. But this is NOT a tool.
 
They also have a more useful drop point recurve model available. I'd put these in the class between the Gerber Gators and the MOD folders with the glass breakers, if that's a catagory:

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You should probably stay away from the Boker Plus product line. I gave them a chance, bought one of their knives but it was a cheap Chi-Com made knife like all the other cheap Chinese Communist knives and fell apart in no time. Buy the regular Bokers if you must. The Jim Wagner folder has a handle that is not only too big for a pocket for regular EDC, but also looks relatively uncomfortable for anything but repeated prison style stabbing, (i prefer Ken Onion ergonomics ala Kershaw Spec Bump) and when combined with the flat grind and the knife being marketed as a weapon, well, that's enough to offset the potential benefits of owning the knife. (glass breaker/clandestine ballpoint pen pommel, tip-up carry & quasi-wave feature)

As for the fears of being sent to prison for the remainder of your life for using a combat oriented blade, I mean, I carry an Emerson CQC-7 Karammbit.. Which if I spelled out fully would read "Close Quarters Combat-7, Emerson Combat Karambit" .. damning, yes, but at least the Emerson website lists the wave as a feature for use in an emergency and refers to the knives as "hard use knives" favored by LE and Military. Emerson doesn't paint a line on their knives for minimum stab depth necessary to kill.. as Boker does with the Wagner knife. Leave it to the Germans. bleh :p

The knife looks like an underhanded way to cheat hardworking soldiers out of their money with a bunch of bells and whistles that are rather useless. Sure, the handle would probably be grippy when wet and provide a positive grip for repeated attacks, I want something a little more utilitarian and less dedicated to murder and probably would if i were a soldier. if you will recall we are repeatedly told that the Sykes Fairbairn dagger's tip was broken off and was ground down for a wider tip by wwii commandos who found the dagger useless for anything but killing.

The Jim Hammond design, CRKT Desert Cruiser is a similar design for less money. I bought one of those for ~$20 and was very satisfied. Gave it to a friend who loved it more than I did. And CRKT is an American company. (even if the knife is outsourced to Taiwan at least some of that $ makes it back).
 
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btw I heard about local knife fighting instructor who ordered that Boker for himself. must be good for this purpose
 
Lenny_Goofoff said:
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I don't have the knife in front of me -- I don't remember if that's actually painted on the blade or if it's just a reflection caused by the geometry of the metal. In either case it doesn't do anything as far as I know. At least, if it does, I'm not aware of it.
 
The knife is likely to get you screwed over in a criminal case, if you ever do have to use the knife. D.A.s will look for anything that they can use against you. If the situation was one of clear cut self-defense, they'll look at your rep.

If it turns out you don't have a record, if it turns out that you're not a scumbag; that D.A. is likely to take a look at your knife. He's going to examine it, find out what he can about it.... and if he can, he'll use that against you. I can think of several other knives that would be excellent self-defense tools, but lack the marketing and name that identifies them as weapons.

The clip feature that makes it look like a disposable Bic pen is an innovative one. But it's probably best utilized in a back pocket.
 
Phil, nice review. I saw in a link posted months ago the mark on the blade and description for it from the maker, IIRC. It came off as a little too much like DO for my taste, but your review balances that nicely with a reality based perspective. :D

While the speculative view of the rare instance of prosecutorial advantage is cautionary, it probably ain't gonna happen. Certainly not as much as defending ourselves with firearms, but there is always someone with an opinion, grounded or not.

As you said, it's not a utility knife, so it seems to fit the billing.
 
Lenny_Goofoff said:
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I recall reading some ridiculous ad copy or promotion that stated the line denotes the minimum penetration required to induce shock from a cut or stab. Seems to fall in line with the piece's gimmicky nature.
 
I've got some instructional materials from Wagner, a book and DVD, that I intend to review, too. I don't know if he references the knife therein.
 
Lenny_Goofoff said:
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I recall in some small discussion with my friend/training partner and he mentioned something about "Through Jim's experience, this amount of penatration (the white line) is all that is needed for penetration"

Forgive me if I cannot recall the conversation in it's entirety, but it went something like that.

I do remember thinking that if that was indeed the case, Jim himself would need a reality check...
 
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