Boker traditional?

the kid said:
As far as I know Boker has at least four different sub brands which have traditionals in the line-up.
The prices on the sub brands also overlap. A magnum is supposed to be the cheapest line but I've seen $80 Magnums and $40 Plus.

Cinch Made in China (never heard of it until very recently)
Plus Made in China
Magnum Made in China
Tree Brand I think some are made in Germany and some in China

Maybe there are also traditional patterns by Boker without a sub brand. (made in Germany and expensive)
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Some misinformation in this post. You are batting 50%.

http://www.boker.de/us/faq.html

Cinch is indeed made in Germany, with only one of that line being made in Argentina, their traditional sodbuster. Tree branded knives are made in Germany. Others are clearly marked from other points of origins.

According to the Boker fan group, all Boker made knives have the COO on them somewhere, even if it is just "frosted" onto the main blade. The Boker site might set the recent questions about the COO of a Boker knife with the Tree etch, but no tang stamp too. From the site's FAQ:

Are all of your knives manufactured in Germany?

No. Boker USA, Inc. carries several different brand names, which are manufactured in various parts of the world. Please refer to the list below:

Boker knives: Solingen, Germany

One could assume, although it might not be true, that unless specified otherwise knives branded only as "Boker" are made in Germany. Personally, I have never seen a Boker that wasn't clearly marked with the COO, but unless they are fakes, there are some floating around out there.

Robert
 
midnight flyer said:
Some misinformation in this post. You are batting 50%.

http://www.boker.de/us/faq.html

Cinch is indeed made in Germany, with only one of that line being made in Argentina, their traditional sodbuster. Tree branded knives are made in Germany. Others are clearly marked from other points of origins.

According to the Boker fan group, all Boker made knives have the COO on them somewhere, even if it is just "frosted" onto the main blade. The Boker site might set the recent questions about the COO of a Boker knife with the Tree etch, but no tang stamp too. From the site's FAQ:

Are all of your knives manufactured in Germany?

No. Boker USA, Inc. carries several different brand names, which are manufactured in various parts of the world. Please refer to the list below:

Boker knives: Solingen, Germany

One could assume, although it might not be true, that unless specified otherwise knives branded only as "Boker" are made in Germany. Personally, I have never seen a Boker that wasn't clearly marked with the COO, but unless they are fakes, there are some floating around out there.

Robert
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Boker knives: Solingen, Germany
Boker Arbolito knives: Argentina
Boker Plus knives: Taiwan and China (except model 02BO012, made in the USA)
Cinch knives by Boker: Solingen, Germany (except model 11CI403Y, made in Argentina)
Magnum knives: Taiwan and China
Marttiini knives: Finland
Opinel knives: France

Nice find. To bad the Tree brand is not on the list. I also just found a Boker with the Cinch AND the Tree Brand markings.
And very surprising Opinel is on the list.
 
That's a great thread Pete, I can see why you didn't want to type it out again!

:)
Paul
 
I have only one Böker, a medium stockman. Although I do not carry it but 2 or 3 times a month, it is a keeper! Great F&F, ver comfortable in the pocket and in hand. If I lost it....I would rush to the net to order up a replacement.

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Peter
 
the kid said:
Nice find.

And very surprising Opinel is on the list.
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Soon I think we will need a score card to see which company owns which, and where the knives are actually made. Not including the fact that some knives are now assembled with parts made somewhere else...

I think it is hard to know these days.

Robert
 
OK, let's see. I am curious now as after Mike's comment I got to thinking a bit more. I don't want to cast dispersions on Boker, but they wouldn't be the first brand to fudge on their product. With that in mind, I posted this on the Boker forum:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...out-Tree-Brand-knives?p=12674987#post12674987

We will see what pops up.

But after a conversation with a fellow knife lover buddy of mine, he sent me this:

http://www.boker.de/us

Look down the page to the next box under that big folder. It says on their site

"The famous knives with the tree-brand are manufactured in the German blade-city since 1869. Since then, no knife left our production without this sign of quality. "

So their claim is that knives with the Tree brand are actually manufactured in Germany.

I hope so...

Robert
 
midnight flyer said:
OK, let's see. I am curious now as after Mike's comment I got to thinking a bit more. I don't want to cast dispersions on Boker, but they wouldn't be the first brand to fudge on their product. With that in mind, I posted this on the Boker forum:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...out-Tree-Brand-knives?p=12674987#post12674987

We will see what pops up.

But after a conversation with a fellow knife lover buddy of mine, he sent me this:

http://www.boker.de/us

Look down the page to the next box under that big folder. It says on their site

"The famous knives with the tree-brand are manufactured in the German blade-city since 1869. Since then, no knife left our production without this sign of quality. "

So their claim is that knives with the Tree brand are actually manufactured in Germany.

I hope so...

Robert
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Nice post on the Boker forum :thumbup:
I will be curious if we get any official feedback and what the answer is going to be.
My money is on: some of the blades are made in China but assembled in Germany.
 
the kid said:
Nice post on the Boker forum :thumbup:
I will be curious if we get any official feedback and what the answer is going to be.
My money is on: some of the blades are made in China but assembled in Germany.
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Earlier your money was on Boker stainless being Chinese steel. Now your money is on "some" Boker stainless being Chinese.
 
leghog said:
Earlier your money was on Boker stainless being Chinese steel. Now your money is on "some" Boker stainless being Chinese.
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I noticed in the other thread you misread (or did not read) a post from me you quoted and you just did it again.
I understand not every one is fluent in English (I'm not either) but I think you shouldn't confront people that direct if you're having problems understanding what they wrote in the first place.

I did not write "some" stainless, I wrote some BLADES.


Doesn't really matter because I freely admit I have no facts just speculation and I welcome any information about the subject. For all I know some blades are made in a different factory in Solingen. Or on different machines. Or in Zimbabwe.
I just suspect the blades without the Solingen mark are made in China.
 
the kid said:
I noticed in the other thread you misread (or did not read) a post from me you quoted and you just did it again.
I understand not every one is fluent in English (I'm not either) but I think you shouldn't confront people that direct if you're having problems understanding what they wrote in the first place.

I did not write "some" stainless, I wrote some BLADES.


Doesn't really matter because I freely admit I have no facts just speculation and I welcome any information about the subject. For all I know some blades are made in a different factory in Solingen. Or on different machines. Or in Zimbabwe.
I just suspect the blades without the Solingen mark are made in China.
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Actually what you wrote was, "I found an old thread on bladeforums mentioning Boker Tree Brand carbon blades knives where made of German steel and made in Germany. And the stainless versions were made in Germany with Chinese steel." You further went on to aver Bokers stainless was Chinese. Perhaps some is but certainly not all. All one had to do is go to Boker's site and search "Solingen stainless" to find they make knives in Germany with German stainless.

http://www.boker.de/us/search/solingen+stainle-0-9999-1-0.html
 
I think a lot if the frustration seen in this thread has to do more with big box type stores misrepresenting the Boker name, and not really Boker itself. If you go to Bokers home page and navigate through what you are looking for they state Magnum or Plus brands. I've seen plenty of Boker knives misrepresented online at big box type vendors that sell every type of knife under the sun and also on online auction sites , the dead giveaway is the box sitting next to the knife. Boker Tree Brand Classics are a thin grey/silver box, the lower end Bokers are in a black glossy box. Whether or not the misrepresentation is done deliberate I don't know? But it comes down to consumer education and knowing what you are buying. I suspect the big online box stores are just buying and putting up a pic and price and not much info just using what they know of the Boker name for the info. Someone like Mike Latham ( Knifeswapper ) who is not just a online vendor, but someone who is into traditional knives, and has knowledge behind his product and knows what he is selling is not going to misrepresent the brand. ( Mike I hope you don't mind me using you as an example ). I think as a consumer do your homework before making a purchase, it's easier than ever to cross reference items with computers, if you think you are getting a high quality Boker traditional brand new from a big online vender for $20 I would think twice, Boker Tree Brand Classics are great knives made with carbon steel and Solingen stainless steel, do your homework and avoid the disappointment. Read the knife as a whole, not just by price or what you are hoping to believe, I know a few years ago I was looking on a site for a Gec knife and the vendor had the Northfield line listed as 440c stainless steel, which is simply not true, I feel bad for the consumer that may have purchased a knife thinking they had purchased a SS blade. Just some food for thought, and playing the devils advocate.

Pete
 
Pete, any info on this oldie of mine would be much appreciated. Tang stamps on both sides of the clip main only.

BokerFull_zps424d3f9d.jpg~original


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BokerPile_zpsd3c2ec8b.jpg~original
 
Boker "Fellow" lockback, made in Soligen, with Devon Thomas SS basketweave damascus blade. Superb quality, equal to most moderns in terms of no blade play, fit and finish, etc.

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Got the above except it is in carbon and has Washboard Bone handles. The rest of it matches your description, EXCELLENT F&F and not too pricey either. Considerably better lock-up and absence of blade-play than GEC seem to manage with their LBs.
 
I agree. Mine has better F&F than my Schatt and Morgan Fire and Wire Mountain Man lock back. But it did cost more.

willgoy said:
Got the above except it is in carbon and has Washboard Bone handles. The rest of it matches your description, EXCELLENT F&F and not too pricey either. Considerably better lock-up and absence of blade-play than GEC seem to manage with their LBs.
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black mamba said:
Pete, any info on this oldie of mine would be much appreciated. Tang stamps on both sides of the clip main only.

BokerFull_zps424d3f9d.jpg~original


BokerMark_zps7db9c38f.jpg~original


BokerPile_zpsd3c2ec8b.jpg~original
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Always happy to help, Bokers are a tough brand to date, most of their records were destroyed when their German facility was destroyed during the 2nd world war, Boker USA changed hands and files did not follow. What I have learned about Boker USA is the shield tells the story more than the tang stamp, Boker tends to " re-issue " old tang stamps, from your picture the shield looks to have the " R " a shield with a trademark registered symbol indicates a knife manufactured after 1975. The vagueness of Boker is kind of what I like but it can get frustrating, you have to really dig in. I have a old H. Boker & Co's Improved cutlery c. 1900-1906ish I contacted Boker and sent them pictures and they could not help, I seemed to have more info saved then they did, I thought that was funny.
Don't know if you have looked through this but it contains lots of great info & history.
http://www.boker.de/pdf/knifeworld.pdf

Hope this helps a little Jeff

Pete
 
Stich2442 said:
I think a lot if the frustration seen in this thread has to do more with big box type stores misrepresenting the Boker name, and not really Boker itself. If you go to Bokers home page and navigate through what you are looking for they state Magnum or Plus brands. I've seen plenty of Boker knives misrepresented online at big box type vendors that sell every type of knife under the sun and also on online auction sites , the dead giveaway is the box sitting next to the knife. Boker Tree Brand Classics are a thin grey/silver box, the lower end Bokers are in a black glossy box. Whether or not the misrepresentation is done deliberate I don't know? But it comes down to consumer education and knowing what you are buying. I suspect the big online box stores are just buying and putting up a pic and price and not much info just using what they know of the Boker name for the info. Someone like Mike Latham ( Knifeswapper ) who is not just a online vendor, but someone who is into traditional knives, and has knowledge behind his product and knows what he is selling is not going to misrepresent the brand. ( Mike I hope you don't mind me using you as an example ). I think as a consumer do your homework before making a purchase, it's easier than ever to cross reference items with computers, if you think you are getting a high quality Boker traditional brand new from a big online vender for $20 I would think twice, Boker Tree Brand Classics are great knives made with carbon steel and Solingen stainless steel, do your homework and avoid the disappointment. Read the knife as a whole, not just by price or what you are hoping to believe, I know a few years ago I was looking on a site for a Gec knife and the vendor had the Northfield line listed as 440c stainless steel, which is simply not true, I feel bad for the consumer that may have purchased a knife thinking they had purchased a SS blade. Just some food for thought, and playing the devils advocate.

Pete
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Great post, Pete :thumbup: :thumbup:
Much appreciated - as always!
 
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