Boker Tree Brand Congress Knife, Chinese or German??

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Here's a pic of the knife I just bought, but is it a German made knife or Chinese??

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GavonKH1993 said:
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Here's a pic of the knife I just bought, but is it a German made knife or Chinese??

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Chinese because of the 'Germany' shield. As far as I know you should look for the ones with a 'Solingen' shield or tang stamp if your looking for a German made knife.
 
Pretty sure it was Made in China also.

Here's a couple old ones I have. (old pics).

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I was actually eyeing one of their stockmans and no wonder they seemed too cheap to be good. That's kind of disapointing.. and with all "Germany" shield and all.
 
zolthar said:
Chinese because of the 'Germany' shield. As far as I know you should look for the ones with a 'Solingen' shield or tang stamp if your looking for a German made knife.
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A few years ago I actually called Boker USA, and talked to a real person in the production department that handled the traditional or as he called it "recreational" knives. I had bought a knife from their CINCH line that had some problems and wanted to know if I was to send to them in Colorado for repair.

The knife had "Boker, Germany" stamped on the blade, and the website said clearly that the knife was made in China. The gentleman I talked to said that "Boker, Germany" simply referred to the fact that it was supervised by "Boker, Germany" as opposed all the other companies that Boker owns all over the world and was not intended to represent a place of manufacture, just the headquarters. He told me that they received calls daily on this subject and were in the midst of CINCH knife Solingen made knife stocks being depleted while the new Chinese product was introduced.

He told me that the only way I would know for sure that any knife I would buy (including theirs) was made in Germany from German components was to look for the "Solingen" stamp on the blades themselves. He did tell me that many less than reputable firms and outright fraudulent firms misappropriate the term, but for any reputable company they follow the Solingen decree if they mark their product as such:

http://www.solingenmade.com/marke/so-engl.pdf

So for Boker, with no "Solingen" stamp, you can't really say for sure about the origin of parts, pieces, or where it was assembled.

Robert
 
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Well crud....one other question though.

Do any of the real deal boker solingen congress knives come with a stainless steel type blade?? That's one of the reasons why I bought it, the real ones are expensive and don't have stainless blades

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I can't believe that Boker would completely debase it's brand by stamping Solingen on it's blade when it's made somewhere else. I just ordered a Boker Plus Barlow from a place in Utah. I'm not too worried about it's fit/finish. Boker is usually pretty careful about how well made their knives from other nations function. Their 440C should hold an edge as well as Case's Tru-Sharp Stainless.

I'll let you know.
 
I have one of their olive wood stockmans marked Solingen; it's stainless. I think with all the Germans you need to watch for the "Solingen".
Boker is fairly clear in their online catalog what's made where, last I knew. And the Solingen stamp is reserved for Solingen manufacture, last I knew.
XKetaZoW

The upside-down shield is my fault. I was so careful, too.
 
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I have one of their olive wood stockmans marked Solingen; it's stainless. I think with all the Germans you need to watch for the "Solingen".
Boker is fairly clear in their online catalog what's made where, last I knew. And the Solingen stamp is reserved for Solingen manufacture, last I knew.
XKetaZoW

The upside-down shield is my fault. I was so careful, too.
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Is that comprised of 440C steel, or is there some other stainless steel Boker is using?
 
Captain O said:
I can't believe that Boker would completely debase it's brand by stamping Solingen on it's blade when it's made somewhere else. I just ordered a Boker Plus Barlow from a place in Utah. I'm not too worried about it's fit/finish. Boker is usually pretty careful about how well made their knives from other nations function. Their 440C should hold an edge as well as Case's Tru-Sharp Stainless.

I'll let you know.
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You've got that backwards. If it says "Solingen", it is made in Germany.


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Is that comprised of 440C steel, or is there some other stainless steel Boker is using?
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I have one of those. It's 440C.
 
On the examples of each that I have the knives made in China are backward from the knives made in Solingen, Germany. The Chinese knives have the coping blade on the mark side and the true Solingen knives have the coping blade on the pile side.
Some of the Chinese made knives seem to be pretty good knives but they are not the same quality as the Solingen knives out of non-stainless that I own.
Take care,
Rick
 
midnight flyer said:
A few years ago I actually called Boker USA, and talked to a real person in the production department that handled the traditional or as he called it "recreational" knives. I had bought a knife from their CINCH line that had some problems and wanted to know if I was to send to them in Colorado for repair.

The knife had "Boker, Germany" stamped on the blade, and the website said clearly that the knife was made in China. The gentleman I talked to said that "Boker, Germany" simply referred to the fact that it was supervised by "Boker, Germany" as opposed all the other companies that Boker owns all over the world and was not intended to represent a place of manufacture, just the headquarters. He told me that they received calls daily on this subject and were in the midst of CINCH knife Solingen made knife stocks being depleted while the new Chinese product was introduced.

He told me that the only way I would know for sure that any knife I would buy (including theirs) was made in Germany from German components was to look for the "Solingen" stamp on the blades themselves. He did tell me that many less than reputable firms and outright fraudulent firms misappropriate the term, but for any reputable company they follow the Solingen decree if they mark their product as such:

http://www.solingenmade.com/marke/so-engl.pdf

So for Boker, with no "Solingen" stamp, you can't really say for sure about the origin of parts, pieces, or where it was assembled.

Robert
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I believe Boker deliberately makes it difficult for the Non-Boker enthusiast to determine their knives countries of origin. As you posted, even the Boker production rep sated they receive daily calls inquiring about countries of origin. Boker could very easily clear up any confusion IF they would just choose to do so.
 
leghog said:
I believe Boker deliberately makes it difficult for the Non-Boker enthusiast to determine their knives countries of origin. As you posted, even the Boker production rep sated they receive daily calls inquiring about countries of origin. Boker could very easily clear up any confusion IF they would just choose to do so.
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I agree, but believe they make it difficult for everyone, even the Boker enthusiast. I recently bought a Boker Griploc and there is no country of origin marked on the blade. They do mark the steel type and the designer, thus failure to put on the country of origin is a conscious marketing decision. The box had "Taiwan" printed on it but the Boker website said the knife was manufactured in both China and Taiwan. Boker traditional knives I've seen at shows vary in quality, even the ones purported to be from Germany.
 
I've got a Boker Plus Copperhead and it's an amazing knife.
Holds an incredible edge, and the fit and finish is excellent.
It's a very good working knife.
 
Money talks and deceptive,difficult to decipher,mystery laden international trade descriptions walk.
This is why I avoid most 'Germany' knives nowadays.
 
meako said:
Money talks and deceptive,difficult to decipher,mystery laden international trade descriptions walk.
This is why I avoid most 'Germany' knives nowadays.
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I agree. I noticed a similar thing with Puma. Puma was my first "real knife" so I have a sweet spot for it. At gun shows, there is a Puma dealer and even he seems confused at times about where the knife is made, where the steel came from, etc.
 
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