boss jack- "2 choil or not 2 choil"

rion_72 said:
i got a boss jack (tequila, no choil) at blade for a user, my buddy ended up with a blue/blk choil...Im thinking I liked the choil version better as a user after "playing" with both at the kitchen table for awhile....someone tell me im dumb? and then back it up :p

...basically, without saying its personal preference...if you have used a no choil talk me into keeping it!!!
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Choil or no Choil they all have advantages and disadvantages. Just get one of each problem solved easy as that, all bases covered. :thumbup:
 
Last Visible Canary said:
This is the thing you can't do with a choil: cut bunched up material in a full secure grip. Yes, you can choke up, but the choked up position is a compromised grip, it takes more effort from the index and middle finger to keep the blade straight and edge forward that it does in a full grip. It isn't a grip I'd want to be doing extended work in.

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With this knife I can close my eyes, grab the bag and cut it without having to worry about where I'm placing my cut, as long as it's on the edge it's good to go. I couldn't do that when it had a choil.



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Hmm... This may have swayed my vote. I may have only been hanging onto the choil FOR aesthetic reasons. I'd have to agree that a full grip with all 4 fingers on the slab while cutting through something like that would be more comfortable... plus like you said, you wont get hung up. Damn... I stand corrected. I don't know why then, I'd feel like my SAR-3 would be better with a choil. I keep wanting to choke up.
 
I don't mind the full choil on a big knife like the BMs, but I've found the only time I like the choil is for just holding the blade while doing nothing with it. I got the Boss Jack with no choil and am very pleased and have really thought about adding a few serrations, which would make it very nice as a do everything blade. The only thing I wish the Boss Jack Protos had would be a thicker handle or magnums would be nice, as the handle is very small in my hand but love the NO CHOIL! I'm with LVC, Jerry please bring a NO CHOIL version of the AD, SAR-3, Boss Street/Mean Street etc. and I'll be the first to order a few!!!:thumbup:
 
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On the topic of choil v. no-choil. On small knives I prefer either none or a very small 'sharpening nick'. Busse and Busse-kin knives to not generally have a choil small enough to qualify as this.

On Busse Combat knives the Talon hole/guard makes up a sizable chunk of space between the grip and the beginning of the blade. The choil helps get around that. I guess on Busse blades larger than four or so inches I would prefer a choil with the size increasing in proportion to the size of the blade.

On a side note, once you get one with a choil and use it alot you may get to the point of reaching for it on other knives when it is not there. My Scrapper 5 Le has been my most used knife since it arrived. When my swamp warden arrived, even though its a much smaller knife, I keep moving my finger to where the choil would be. The warden's design also puts the blade further from the handle then I would like.
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Asthetically I like the looks on the full or reduced choil on the BOSS Jack. Similar on the newer release Tank Busters. For some reason the choil-less versions look less 'finished' on this size of Busse blade.
 
I will say that I did not like the original BBDC with no choil and fuller, but the full height satin with no fuller and no choil feels totally different.

I like it:thumbup:
 
I have compared all those below working on wood/food prep/gralloching game - the longer you use a knife working wood the more you appreciate a large thick grip and an edge which comes as close to it as possible .... particularly if earlier the same day you were chopping down the tree you are now using to prepare camp equipment like pot hangers/chopping boards/ or carving a spoon etc.

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Of the Busse's/Bussekin knives I have the Basic 5 is the best in fulfilling this criteria ....

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But the trademark talon hole still needs more space keeping the edge away from the handle .... an Infi Basic 5 done by Scrapyard/Swamprat without a talon hole and bringing the blade as near to the Res C grip as possible would be a cool way around the issue .... but as it is .....it is still a great knife.
 
For me, the large choil is too much. I just don't find the need to choke up all that often. Besides, I like to keep my hand away from the sharp bits, I've already have 6 stitches in my right hand, don't need anymore :o

Conversely, I find no choil knives to be more difficult to sharpen, and, well they just look a little funny to me. IMHO, the small choil version is the way to go. I am surprised there aren't more of these out there. I just bought one and am looking for another.
 
I gotta go with Choil....like what I said before.....yes I prefer the LARGE Choil...but this is my own thoughts:):)

I love that we offered the smaller Choil, Large Choil and the NO choil on the proto...We listion to what everyone wants:)

That my friends is what I like about Busse Combat...WE LISTION:thumbup:


How I use the Boss Jack's that I have...I prefer the choil...and yes the larger one:thumbup::thumbup:

Amy-0
 
I don't buy the idea of "choking up" on the blade using the choil as a place to put your first finger. The handle is the handle and the blade is the blade. That is why they put those nicely figured pieces of wood, plastic, G10, micarta, etc on the tang==> for you to hold on to. The blade is thin and uncomfortable to hold so that it can cut. If the edge of the blade were to extend all of the way to the handle slabs and not stop 1/2 to 1" before the end of the slabs, then there would be no need to choke up on the blade as the most useful part of the blade would be positioned ideally with the most comfortable part of the knife. For me, the SAR5 is ideal.
 
Now we just need to nudge Jerry and crew for a NO choil AD, Sar-3 size blade. Hint, hint:thumbup::D And many thanks to the Busse crew for the quantity of new options on the Boss Jack:thumbup:;)
 
I've got the BJ with large choil and love it. How often do I use the choil? Actually, not very often, and sometimes I miss that little extra bit of edge that is sacrificed. If you put the choil and choil-less version in front of me and asked me to pick one for permanent use, I'd have to flip a coin. I WILL have to say that without a choil, I do have a bit more desire to carry a pocket knife for the fine detail work. That being said (NnF), the slabs on the BJ are a bit too thin for my small/medium sized hands. Not sure how to modify it, though. Maybe some thick liners or something.....
 
I love choils I think the look better, but I am an artist :)
 
Another vote for the (usable) choil. :thumbup: Folks can argue all day long on the "which is better for..." front, but at the end of the day, it's really about personal preference and that's what I prefer. Other than the steel, it's what brought me to Busse...and it'll be one of the many reasons why I will stay with Busse. :)

...And yep, I think that they look better on a Busse too! :D
 
Well, I think EVERY knife looks cooler with a choil as opposed to a plain straight edge, but what it really boils down to for me is whether losing .5-1" of edge is worth the ability to choke up an extra .5-1". VERY tough call.
 
I thought choils looked and functioned great too. Today though I was cutting up large refrigerator sized cardboard boxes with my SAR3. It would go through like butter, but kept hanging up on the choil. It was pretty frustrating considering the 5'+ cuts I was making. Definitely made me reconsider.
 
All you have to do is get hung up while cutting and the advantage of the choil doesn't seem like such an advantage anymore. Big knives, choppers, ok. Boss Jack? Not even close. The choil looks better but who cares. How many spoons have you actually carved with an 8 inch knife? Me, the answer is zero. More cutting edge, no hangups. Not even a tough call.

Pete
 
Quote: In regards to choil vs. non choil, if you've never had a problem with choils and you like them better, go for that. There are plenty of reasons to go for non-choil and only 2 for having the choil (aesthetics and "choking up").[/QUOTE]

+1 for no choil (on many models, but not all - IMO). But, if you like them, as mentioned, 'go for that.' Aesthetically, I love the look of a choil on most blades.

Overall, no choil for me.
 
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