Bow drill advice... I actually have some...

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I have learned quite a few things in my bow drill learning experiences - I want to share some of these with you all - I learned much of this on line - but experience is the best teacher. Much of this has already been published - but here it is anyway.

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1) The bow is VERY important. It needs to be a little flexible. I would say it needs to be able to flex about 1 - 2" after the cordage has been tied on.

The best bow description is here:

http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/bowdrill/pmoc/basicbowdrill.html

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2) The depth of the hole is important.

You want to make it deep enough in the width of the board to allow the spindle to move freely without breaking out of the sides of the board if you tip the spindle accidentally while drilling. About 1 to 1.5 widths of the spindle is good.

3) The notch is important! (See amending posts below) Make it 1/8th of the pie or so - but be careful not to cut the notch all the way into the center of the hole - nor make it too wide. It simply means the spindle will break through the board or not drill at all. The notch depth and width are important - and for good flow of dust - cut is to be as clean and smooth as possible.

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4) The spindle is not all that important. The spindle length should be about 9 inches - but carving it isn't all that important. Things tend to even out as you 'burn the spindle' into the board.

The important part is after you have used a kit once that you marr up the business end of the spindle and even the first board hole to allow for good friction. The spindle tends to burn hard and simply squeak at you instead of causing good friction.

A round spindle isn't necessary - in fact I find an octagonal spindle works just as good and even seems to slip less.

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5) The hand hold being friction free makes life a LOT easier. I have used oak, bone, aluminum, Teflon (yes - teflon), steel, and rock. Rock is the best - in my experience. It weighs the most and would suck to toss in your pack.

Bone is probably the best compromise material. Be forewarned - cut your notch in a THICK portion of the bone or it gets HOT FAST!

Wood CERTAINLY works - but greasing your hand hold is critical to make life easier.

It isn't critical that you have rock or bone - but unless you are in good shape and have a strong arm - you may tire out before you get a good coal.

BTW - DON'T try Teflon - it just burns up. ;)

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6) Shouldering the tip of the spindle (where it meets the hand hold) makes life much easier as well. Less size means less less friction where you need it least.

7) 550 cord seems to slip more than shoe laces. It seems that a little cotton is a good thing. 550 CERTAINLY works - and I started two fires with it this morning - but seems to slip a bit.

8) Tying your cordage is important. Again, the bow shown above works VERY well for adjusting your cordage on the bow. You want the spindle TIGHT but not so tight you can't keep a hold of it.

9) When you get started - get your tinder ready. When you get a coal going there is NOTHING more depressing than watching it consume itself without getting anything to flame up.

The best thing I have found is drier lint - but something that works as well is cedar bark. You can buy a HUGE bag of this at a garden store for cheap and have all the tinder you would ever need to practice on.

Keep a small bowl of it near your practice area in case you see something that resembles a coal.

10) Here is the method I use to get a coal going on a fairly consistent basis:

a) Get in the proper stance (see link above) and get a good rhythm going. Don't apply too much downward pressure right away - just get things going well.

b) When you see smoke - this is the time to turn up the pressure and the speed. Use a long as strokes as you can, a good amount of pressure to fill the notch with black powdery material.

c) When the notch fills up and starts to spill out - it is time for SPEED and PRESSURE. More speed than pressure seems to work. You have you material - you want it to burn. I find the most speed I can apply with an appropriate amount of pressure works the best.

d) Things will REALLY be smoking at this point. You need to keep going until you know the coal is going or you simply run out of steam. When in doubt - go for broke. When you can no longer take it - stop without letting your spindle fly out.

Pick up your knife tip or a twig and hold the coal down (lightly) while picking up the fire board. Then CHILL.

If your coal stops smoking quickly - you have not had enough friction to get your coal going. You have no choice but to start over. You will make MANY of these cold coals before getting it right. KEEP TRYING!

e) You can wait a while while you catch your breath. Catching your breath is important. Being is good shape certainly helps the bow drill making process.

f) Transfer the coal to your tinder bundle without breaking it up. A small leaf under your fire board will help a lot. A big piece under your hearth simply makes things hard to dump into your tinder bundle without breaking it up.

g) When you get your coal in your tinder - blow LIGHTLY to get it to smoke. Not being out of breath at this point is a good thing.

h) Once you get some smoke - hold up your tinder bundle so you can get your breath to go over the coal around the coal and through the tinder bundle. This not only gets good oxygen to the coal but seems to make it spread to your tinder better.

g) You will get a LOT of smoke in your tinder to flame up - it will happen SUDDENLY - get near where you are going to put this tinder bundle - it seems to hit a critical thermal mass and then POOF - you have FIRE and a lot of it.

Here are some good videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2mm-YbE41E&feature=related



Finally, if you are a suburban weekend style warrior - like me - you can make a NICE bow drill set with little material.

Here is what I did:

Go to a home store with a decent lumber selection and buy a 4 foot length (or so) of Spruce 1 x 6. (Thicker would be great - a 4 x 4 would be great).

Go home and cut off two 1" lengths of Spruce and cut those into 1 foot lengths. This will give you a boat load of spindle material. Simply cut those into octagonal spindles and whittle off the ends.

Then use the remaining board (2 inches or more) for your fire board.

Go to the pet store and get a cheap section of leg bone (for dogs). Cut it in half and notch the middle for a spindle. Be warned - this will STINK! It made me sick to my stomach when I did it - you may even want to use a fan in your shop and cover your nose. YUCK!

Then take a hike somewhere and find some green wood for your bow. I found my bow material when a neighbor got rid of some shrubs. I took a length of it and made a bow. It works great!

I hope this helps - I hope, also, that an amateur can post this and share what I have learned without being pretentious.

TF
 
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I have used cedar and Spruce - Spruce on Spruce (with a harder handle) makes fire fairly easily.

There is a list on the link above.

TF
 
Talfuchre: 550 cord seems to slip more than shoe laces. It seems that a little cotton is a good thing. 550 CERTAINLY works - and I started two fires with it this morning - but seems to slip a bit.

Your bow string would work better if it was 2 ply and reverse twisted. This provides more traction between the drill and the string.

The shape of the top of your drill would suggest more friction is occurring at the top than should be. Normally the top of the drill is pointed, like an inverted 'V' to lessen the friction occurring there and focusing it more at the hearth level, but if it works for you, that's all that matters.

Doc
 
Doc - are you saying to twist two 550 cords together?

Also - the top of my spindle looks burned - because I smoothed out the top of the spindle using a bench grinder - not the best for the wheel - but I didn't have the patience that day to sit a whittle. ;)

I have found if I make it too pointed - I have trouble controlling it...However - It is a little burned at the top - I will try cutting it down some more. I trust you guys who have done this far more many times than me.

TF
 
That's a great post Talfuchre. I'll just add some information from my experience that may be of help to those getting started:

I think the notch is the most important aspect of fire by friction. It should be carved to the center - if not, you'll have a little depression full of hot coal in the center adding friction to your set in the wrong place. You'll notice your fireboard will burn through too quickly and your spindle may glaze up.

The notch should be carved smooth so that the coal dust can drop below and coalesce into a coal instead of building up in the notch and then being distributed around the outside of the hole. I sometimes burnish the notch with the back of my blade to smooth out any rough fiber sticking out.

I cut my notch so that from the side view it is wider at the base than at the top, which also facilitates the smooth flow of coal dust. Spending a few seconds on the notch will more than pay for itself in how long you must work to get a coal.
 
Hartsell,

Good advice - when I get skunked - my hearth looks like you describe. Maybe I have been wrong above and the notch is far more important than I think it is. It seems when I get good dust but no smoke - I have not worked long enough to get a coal. It would be great to reduce this time so that I will not tire out trying to get a coal.

I will try and cut one more carefully tomorrow and see if I can add to my success ratio.

I will correct my post above if so - again - I am just posting what I have seen - perhaps I am wrong.

TF
 
Awesome post! I would add, the as far as the 550 cord slipping, I couldnt stand this when I was learning...so I remembered what I had read somewhere about leather being the best cordage for this...I went to the grocery store and bought 2 sets of 72" leather laces, and opened both packages when I got home...callled in the woman, told her to start braiding with 3 of the strands...leaving one to the side...(which later made some cool lanyards) Once finished, I had a 5' leather rope...I still have it, it is a bit worn, but it grips the spindle perfectly. Soo..slipping isnt such a pain in the butt now. Gene
 
Doc - are you saying to twist two 550 cords together?

Yes, exactly the way you make reverse twist cordage. The ridges in the cord help to grab the spindle and reduce slippage.

Also - the top of my spindle looks burned - because I smoothed out the top of the spindle using a bench grinder - not the best for the wheel - but I didn't have the patience that day to sit a whittle. ;)
I have found if I make it too pointed - I have trouble controlling it...However - It is a little burned at the top - I will try cutting it down some more. I trust you guys who have done this far more many times than me.
It's probably faster to whittle a point than it was to put it on a grinder.

BTW, the black is dyed and the red is in the pot, so you still have a chance to change???????????

Hey Hartsell, it's been my experience that it's better to go almost to the centre, because if you go too far, you develop a long skinny point on the drill that is counterproductive to focusing the friction where you want it. Also, there is speculation that the point of the notch should be more 'U' shaped than 'V' shaped. I have done both and I didn't notice much difference.

Doc
 
And, of course, if you're having a lot of problem with slippage, there's always the Egyptian bow drill.

Doc
 
TF, and anybody else serious about making fire by friction, read the articles here (you have to scroll down a little bit), in particular, the one about using damp materials. It's an excellent technique and it works! Dick Baugh rules!

Doc
 
Doc - I agree with the ALMOST going to the center. I ended up with a little nipple on the end of my drill and it seemed to burn through the board faster.

Thanks for the link.

TF

p.s. You bracelet is done and I don't care to change anything. I am excited.
 
Doc - I agree with the ALMOST going to the center. I ended up with a little nipple on the end of my drill and it seemed to burn through the board faster.

Thanks for the link.

TF

p.s. You bracelet is done and I don't care to change anything. I am excited.


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Doc
 
Hartsell,

I experimented with your advice and I have to say - you are right. I used the same spindle - same board - different holes - one with a clean notch one with a ragged notch - the clean notch god smoke MUCH easier and faster than the ragged one.

I got flame every time I tried with this improvement.

Thanks for your advice!

DOC,

I mastered the reverse twist (I had to look it up) - MAN that makes strong cordage!

Thanks,

TF

p.s. I will amend my first post.
 
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