Bow Hunting...

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I've recently found that I have lost my lust for other knives, as I have just about everyone I could want. :eek: I know, it sounds crazy! However I've always wanted to get into traditional bowhunting. Anyone have any resources or experiences? I would also like to know how clean the kill is with a well placed arrow. I was kind of noodleing it and being the kind of hunter that I am I want a quick, clean kill with as little suffering as possible. Is this possible with a bow? Thanks in advance and I'd love to hear everyone's experiences, etc.
 
I've recently found that I have lost my lust for other knives, as I have just about everyone I could want. :eek: I know, it sounds crazy!

i've been there, it'll pass. you'll be feelin fine and in fact ready to get rid of a bunch of knives then while browsing the exchange someone will have a buck 889 up for trade, then back in the pit you fall.
 
The Key to a clean Kill in regards to bowhunting is Practice practice practice. I hunt with a compound bow and most years harvest enough meat for the year before gun season begins so I've seen many different situations regarding what happens when an animal has an arrow stuck through it.

My dad passed on the passion for hunting to me and also forced me to practice until I could consistantly place 5 arrows within a 6" diameter at 20 - 30 yards before I could hunt with a bow. I also had to build up strength to pull back a bow with enough poundage to penetrate and break bones if necessary. Many states require 45 lbs draw weight minimum for Deer which and average man can pull with no problem. after building strength, it's better to go higher incase you do hit bone.

I've shot deer right where you're supposed to (through both lungs and the heart) and amazingly they run 1/4 mile. I shot one deer, hit it in the hind quarter. It jumped in the air, didn't run, and then fell over after about 5 seconds. (hit the artery between it's hind legs)

the vast majority of kills I've made with a bow have been clean kills, but very few (1 -2) have been an instentanious drop in thier tracks.

Your responsibility as a bow hunter is to get enough practice that you can put the arrow into the vital organs of the animal. Depending on the angle this is -for reference -about the size of a paper plate. You also have to have the discipline to not attempt a shot if it's not right. You cannot punch an arrow through a little bit of brush and expect it to go where you aimed.

To hit a pie plate consistantly is not good enough IMO. standing at the range in your T shirt plugging away at a stationary target at a fixed distance is great for building fundementals, but when you are hunting, you'll most likely be cold, in a stand or on uneven terrain, all geeked up on adrenalin, and no matter what you say that deer will not come stand still 20 yards away and wait for you to get ready.

If you can put 5 arrows in a 3 - 5" group CONSISTANTLY from different distances and positions with a bow draw weight of 50 lbs or more, you're ready. That will probably take you a few months depending on how much time you put into it.

Learn the skeletal structure of a deer so you know what can get in the way of a good shot.

There are times when things do go wrong and you have to track. I'll not give the anti's ammunition by going into those situations, but you need to be prepared for that possibility.

So to answer your question, Yes it is very possible to make a clean kill, but you need to take the responsibility to train yourself to do it.

There are plenty of books and videos out there, but I'd suggest finding a shooting club in your area and ask a lot of questions there. I'm sure you'll find someone willing to lend a hand on getting you started.
 
Basically, if you hit a deer standing broadside with a heart/lung shot through the lower ribcage, they go down faster than shooting them with a rifle in the same spot. BUT, if you hit the shoulder instead, with a rifle that's ok, but with a bow, it might not kill them depending on penetration.

The first thing you will notice is that it's an order of magnitude harder to get a good shot within bow range. But bow hunting will make you a much better hunter, because you will get to watch many, many deer, and shoot at very few.
 
I bowhunted for years with a recurve and a compound, and have killed several deer. I agree with every word deerslayer said and really don't have anything to add other than to emphasize the practice. I don't bow hunt now for the simple reason that due to my job I don't have the hours to dedicate to practice and refuse to hunt with out it.

There is much more to bowhunting than just going out and shooting a deer, it requires very good woodsmanship skills such as knowledge of the animal you are hunting, stand selection, and tracking after the shot. To be consistantly successful you have to be a very good hunter as well as shot. Chris

EDIT: GA now allows crossbows to be used during the regular bowhunting season, I may start bowhunting again with a crossbow. It really doesn't give any advantages other than not requiring the strength and muscle memory that traditional stick bows and compounds require. Chris
 
To expand on what runningboar said, if you hunt with a rifle, you might think some particular area is a good spot because you see deer there often.

But if you hunted the same area with a recurve... before you ever actually killed a deer you would know WHY it was a good spot, what kind of deer you are likely to see there, what time of day you are likely to see them, which way the wind needs to be to hunt there, whether it's better before or after a full moon, in the morning or evening, in the rain or snow, and what effect the local river stages have on that spot.
 
Deerslayer, AWESOME info. You've touched on a lot of things I've been taught: practice like you play, muscle memory, etc. Thanks for the really good pointers! I wasn't planning on just doing this, I just wanted to hear some experiences and what was involved to also see if I really wanted to do this. I think it does take a hell of a hunter to stalk a deer with a bow and I'd sure enjoy the hunt; that's why I'm askin y'all! I know I'd get the whole truth and the down and dirty. Thanks and keep em comin!
 
Truthfully, I've NEVER shot a deer stalking. It's always from a stand. I actually prefer sitting in a stand as after an hour or so, you blend in so well you see the woods as it naturally is. (as much as possible anyway) You are not disturbing the actions of all the critters around you. I've posted a few brief stories of stuff I've seen sitting in a stand in other threads. It's good to just sit quiet and still for a couple hours.
 
You have received good info so far. I think the best advise is to find a mentor. The best source for that would be a local archery club. They are usually very eager to help.I was fortunate to find an experienced friend when I was younger. It really sped up my learning curve.

As for clean kills, that is up to you. A well placed arrow with adequate penetration will kill any animal on the planet. A poor shot, rifle or bow can have bad results. Out of 40+ archery big game kills (only 3 with traditional gear) I have only lost 2 animals, a bear and a deer. When done correctly the killing ability of a well placed arrow is amazing. I have had several drop in their tracks, but most go a short distance (100 yards or less) and expire in less than a minute.

My favorite example is a large bull moose (1100 lbs live weight) I shot a few years ago. I was only able to get within 50 yards and the cover ran out. I was comfortable with the shot so I took it. I watched the arrow fly and it looked good but I heard it rattle through the trees behind him. I thought "oh crap I missed him, no way". Just as I thought that he started swaying back and forth, took 4 or five steps and fell over dead. The arrow passed straight through him. I was relieved to say the least.

Practice and be confident in your skills. You will become a much better woodsman and hunter. Good luck!
 
Here are some bowhunting stes that I frequent.
ArcheryTalk

HuntingNet (Has several sub forums including traditional archery)

Bowsite (Has sub forum called the Leatherwal that is all traditional)
There's also a site out there that has tons of bowhunting videos available, but as I'm not sure what the restrictions are as a Gold Member, I'll have to say I don't remember what it is. ;)

-- FLIX
 
Hey Feday, good on ya. My passion is Traditional Archery. Us Trad boys are a tight knit group and you're likely to get a lot of good advice if you go to the right places. Feel free to e-mail me or shoot me a PM if you have any questions. I can't add too much to Deerslayers post, he hit the nail right on the head. If you want a lot of good info or have questions go to this link:
http://leatherwall.bowsite.com/tf/lw/threadsx2.cfm
Its just a tight knit group of cyber trad hunters who share advice, stories, and lots of other info on everything from hunting to bow and arrow building to philosophy and ethics and just about anything else that has to do with the traditions of hunting with primitive tackle. There's even a few blade heads that frequent the board. Good luck, its addicting so be careful!!!
-Ron
 
I'll second the Leatherwall, a lot of good info there.

As far as practice, get as much as you can but it is better to have many small sessions than a few long ones. Fatigue ruins form and will eventually lead to problems that otherwise could have been avoided. One of the best (and most fun) ways to practice I've found is to go stump shooting in your favorite woods. It really helps with judging distances and learning to shoot under hunting conditions. Shoot out of your stand too if you plan to use one.
 
It takes alot of practice to get tight with the stick and string. First match the arrows to your bow 'Archers paradox' they will not fly right or else. Find a form you like (olympic archery style, bent knee and bent waist while canting the bow, which is what I do). Also, aiming systems (sights, instinctive, gap, string walking, etc.) Now its time to shoot lots of arrows and I mean lots (think of every arrow as your last and the only one that counts). If all this seems complicated to you, don't worry ignore everything I mentioned, what do I know anyways 'LOL' . Get out there and shoot since trad archers are among the friendliest bunch who like to help new comers, I know I do.

Enjoy...
 
I try to practice as much as I can. I even went out today and shot 3D's in the snow
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Bowhunting is fine, but I reall think arrows should only be used in big game (buffalo, bears, caribou), or something that is particularly dangerous. The biggest rush is taking down a deer with a spear. Its something you want to do with a buddy, but its worth it. You really appreciate the kill a whole lot more. You think thats crazy? Some of these goons in NC take russian boars down with a couple of pit bulls and a bowie knife! Yeah. Thats right. We bad.
 
Truthfully, I've NEVER shot a deer stalking. It's always from a stand. I actually prefer sitting in a stand as after an hour or so, you blend in so well you see the woods as it naturally is. (as much as possible anyway) You are not disturbing the actions of all the critters around you. I've posted a few brief stories of stuff I've seen sitting in a stand in other threads. It's good to just sit quiet and still for a couple hours.

Have you ever heard the old saying "be as one with the woods"? You can. you take a step, or two, and stop. You listen to the feedback of the critters in the woods. Where I hunted in GA it was squirrels and birds that will tell on you, and put deer on the alert. If they start up (raising a ruckus) stop untill everything has calmed down. Then and only then do you move again. Don't listen to the noise your making, listen to the reaction to it. If you get any reaction, stop. Let it calm down, then go even slower untill you don't hear the critters anymore. You don't want to take a bunch of steps at one time, just two or three. That will give you a new view of the area. Look it over real good, take a couple more. If you are not disrupting the woods, pretty soon you will see a deer move while you are looking it over, and there are.
 
Bowhunting is fine, but I reall think arrows should only be used in big game (buffalo, bears, caribou), or something that is particularly dangerous. The biggest rush is taking down a deer with a spear. Its something you want to do with a buddy, but its worth it. You really appreciate the kill a whole lot more. You think thats crazy? Some of these goons in NC take russian boars down with a couple of pit bulls and a bowie knife! Yeah. Thats right. We bad.

Deer with a spear, that I would like to see. As far as taking hogs with dogs and a knife, get rid of the dogs and just use the knife, then you will impress me. You use the dogs to either distract or hold the hog while you move in for the kill. Sit in a ground blind or in a low tree and ambush them when they come by. Just my .02
 
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