Bowie Knives

What about the guards, honest question. I've seen some bowies with guards shaped like that you'd find on a main gauche, lemmesee.. bagwell maybe does them? I wonder historically how accurate they are and how effective they actually could be.

Besides the correct, and very early examples Marcinek posted, here's a look at what would've been floating around during the years the Bowie was most popular -

[video=youtube;OgDLPTAGw-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgDLPTAGw-k[/video] .

They are almost never (99.9% of the time) massive knives in the way that modern examples are.
 
No older proven Bowies have it. Some think that it came about as a misinterpretation of someone hearing that the Searles Bowie had an inlaid spine. That inlay is a small gold initial plate.

People that are fans of it come up with fanciful tales about them being used as a blade catcher and defector, etc..... Most that you see are modern knives from the eras after the film "The Iron Mistress" came out. That film ushered in a period of large, heavy "blinged" out Bowies that is still a popular design with collectors today.
Agree that many perceived elements of the Bowie knife is due to that movie.

Also:
Much of the relatively recent interest in this brass strip along the spine of a 'Bowie knife,' is due to a horrible abomination of a knife, which a person through the span of some years has managed to convince a lot of people (even in the knife community) was an original knife used at The Alamo last stand.

The horrible clown knife looks like the Iron Mistress on steroids and is a laughable notion, that its supposed to be original.

Several convenient clues on the knife points it in the direction of the Alamo and Bowie.

The owner had it mysteriously turn up. He then cleaned it and lo and behold, there was something scratched on the knife. Could it be ....

The owner then during the years waged a very aggressive campaign (which included threats, law suits and more, if you had the audacity to doubt the veracity of his claims) to convince the World, that his knife was the real McCoy.

Some protested whilst others buckled under for the massively waged propaganda campaign.
Some just decided that silence was the better part of valor, as they didnt cotton to the written and verbal abuse campaign.

In any event the propaganda campaign worked and word got around in broader circles. The knife ended up getting sold for an obscene amount of money (just as intended) to a misguided celebrity with more money than sense.

This much publiziced knife has a huge clip, broad blade and the aforementioned brass strip.

In part due to the above mentioned publicity in regards to this knife, brass strips are back in vogue.

There are custom versions of the above mentioned knifd made by respected makers on this very forum and yes, complete with the brass strip

The irony is that the fairy tale knife most likely will end up being displayed at The Alamo as being genuine.
 
I wonder then about all those bowie fighting manuals.

There are a few 'manuals' - authors escape me at present, I'll add them in when I can. I think Bill Bagwell who makes bowies also wrote a book.

What of their authenticity?

Have you seen James Keating's youtubes.

Some combatives shown could be useful but others, not being expert, look like they will get you killed.

Edit : Paul Kirchner, Bill Bagwell, Dwight McLemore and James Keating are some names who seem to assoscated with bowie fighting techniques.

Got some of those names following links here

http://bowieknifefightsfighters.blogspot.com.au
 
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I wonder then about all those bowie fighting manuals.

There are a few 'manuals' - authors escape me at present, I'll add them in when I can. I think Bill Bagwell who makes bowies also wrote a book.

What of their authenticity?

What do you mean by "authenticity"?

You have been talking about "historical accuracy." And we have shown Bowies that are historically accurate.

Many knives today are called Bowies. They are not historically accurate. That does not mean calling them Bowies in incorrect....just historically inaccurate.
 
Just to add humour, behold "Spykez's folly"

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Made in Pakistan out of some unknown steel, you can see toolmarks on the guard. It weighs a whopping 2 lbs, foot long or more blade, blade heavy, more a chopper than a fighting knife for sure, unless you're King Kong or something.

But I had to get it.

I'm still redoing the edge, it was dull as.... ah well, it's a cheap wall hanger.
 
You like that Bowie, you like it. Nothing wrong with that.

It's just historically inaccurate.

Actually you have a very historically accurate Bowie in your kitchen if you have a chefs knife.
 
What do you mean by "authenticity"?

You have been talking about "historical accuracy." And we have shown Bowies that are historically accurate.

Many knives today are called Bowies. They are not historically accurate. That does not mean calling them Bowies in incorrect....just historically inaccurate.

Authenticity here, I must not have been clear, I was referring to the techniques in such "manuals"

I was wondering how the original bowies might have been employed. Are any of these bowie fighting manuals authentic? Like the writings on duelling or even long sword use we might get from Europe?

Or just made up to make a quick buck.

I'm wondering how Jim Bowie actually fought. I'm beginning to think he would have been just as at home with a large shun or miyabi! :D

Stuff like this for example.... makes me worried.

[video=youtube;HG7Fp01sVbk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG7Fp01sVbk[/video]
 
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"Bowie Knife Fights, Fighters and Fighting Techniques" by Paul Kirchner.
Its $40 from the big river and worth it.
Buy it. Read it.
 
Manuals on the techniques. re: fighting with a "Bowie knife", are as authentic as the person who is teaching them.... the techniques are the teacher's "authentic to him/her" techniques. If a particular practitioner of a particular fighting style lives after engaging in a real knife fight, then the style he/she used is "authentic" to them. USMC hand to hand combat techniques are "authentic" to the USMC, just as the techniques employed by the Mossad or Spetzsnaz are "authentic" to them.

There are probably as many "authentic techniques" to knife fighting as there are types of knives. The methods of employing a 4 inch blade boot knife are different from those used in conjunction with a Sandbar era Bowie knife (9-1/2" single edged, butcher knife straight blade with a small (half) guard which is different from those used with a 9" to 15" D-guard clip point double edged 1950s fantasy Bowie.

Jim Bowie allegedly had training in rapier, saber and cutlass fighting, with and without the use of an off-hand knife. Jim Bowie's "knife fighting technique" would have been an amalgamation of every style of bladed combat in which he had been trained, as well as what ever dirty tricks he managed to pick up along the way. He used whatever technique he could get to work with whatever blade he had available to him.
 
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