Bram Frank's Lapu Lapu Corto (Pics)

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So I just received a Lapu Lapu Corto from CSSD-SC online store. Enough people asked for sheaths just in a span of a few days, so I waited out the holiday madness, and it was the first knife of 2007 for me.

It took a week to arrive here, thanks to the brave people of the Canadian Customs, and even though the paperwork said it was a Lapu Lapu Combat Knife, it made it here after a thorough inspection.

On the first inspection, it is practically the same length and weight of the standard live Spyderco Gunting, but a little thinner, but only by 1 mm.
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The scales are G10, same as the Guntings. Mine is a drab green CSSD version (USMC on one side, and CSSD on the other),with gray coated blade and clip. What is immediately obvious is that the indexing hole is a lot wider than the one on the Gunting. The knife spins from grip to grip with ease, possibly even easier that the Gunting because of the thickness (fingers are closer together while indexing).

Note the teeth running along the blade side of the knife. The G10 scales on that side are a little shorter than on the spine (which will be against your palm), so the knife is a lot more secure while holding, a lot more toothy. Teeth are sharp-ish, sharp enough not to hurt you but a forearm rake with them will has an impressive effect. Teeth on the ramp on the blade an a whole lot sharper along the edges.

The opening hole edges are not chamfered, but that's a good thing. and the side of the pyramid is big enough for a standard one-handed opening even with big thumbs.
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The pocket clip is slightly longer than the Gunting's, with a less pronounced horn on it to conform to the shape of the scales. The clip attachment is the same as on the Gunting, with cutout in G10 and the screws going into the steel liner.
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Knife open. Can be opened with the thumb, or kinetically over a body part. NOT YOUR THE LEG! Can't say this one often enough.
The blade, unlike the Gunting's, is a Persian upswept blade, which much like a shamshir gives a very good slicing cut, and is capable of stabs as well. Like the Gunting, the false endge is unsharpened.
Holding it, the knife reminds me a little of the gun-shaped handle of Spyderco Massad Ayoob. Very comfy in both grips.
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Here is a shot of the teeth on the blade side of the knife, and the teeth on the ramp. The blade is nicely centered too.
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The spine of the handle is devoid of teeth, except near the blade end and the pommel end (the spine side portion adjacent to the lanyard hole), on and above the compression lock. These teeth meet the ramp teeth for a very secure saber grip. Add to that the curving handle, and the grip couldn't be better.
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Lock engaged, and lock engaged compared to the Gunting.
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Impressions:

The handle is very comfortable, even more so than the more straight handle of the Gunting. The larger indexing hole, at least for me, is a welcome change, I sometimes caught the edge of the hole with the edge of the finger and spin wasn't as crisp. The larger hole allows for a sharper angle between the finger and the scale of the handle.

I didn't take pictues of the pommel, which was a mistake. If you look at the pommel in the pictures, the triange into which the lanyard hole goes has teeth on both sides, spine side and blade side.

The upswept Persian blade will take a little getting used to from the Gunting, with its spear point blade. I already scratched myself with the tip of the LLC twice, it's a lot higher than the Gunting's tip was. Very sharp, obviously.

Overall, I'm very impressed with it, a worthy knife to say the least.
 
It's made by Cherusker Messer, a German company (http://www.cherusker-messer.de, enter the Lapu Lapu in search window and it'll give you the product page. They're EU$170 for the pair (Live and Trainer, or so it looks) on that website. The one in the pics above is from CSSD-SC at http://cssdsc.com/

Apparently there are also larger Magnum Lapu Lapu versions, where the blade takes up the whole handle. But to me, the current Lapu Lapu Corto blade is more than sufficient. http://cssdsc.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=1102&g2_page=1

Edit: I screwed up one of the links... :)
 
The Puzzle Lock, as far as I can tell, is a compression lock, practically identical to the Gunting. There's a small difference, but it's hard to tell.

Blade steel I don't know about, can't find it listed anyplace. But it looks okay, cleanly ground lines. I could live with something worse than S30V or VG10, in a blade of that type edge retention is not critical to me, it is not exactly my first choice for everyday utility (these days a Spyderco Catcherman gets used most).
 
Just found on the manufacrurer's site
"rostfreier 8Cr13MoV Stahl (ähnlich AUS-8)"
stainless 8Cr13MoV steel (close to Aus8)

That's great. The knife that gets used around the house the most these days is an AUS-8 Spyderco Catcherman, cuts frozen seafood for the large tropical fish aquarium at least twice a day. Holds the edge well, comes in contact with things with salt and water on them, and doesn't rust, holds the edge great too if properly heat treated.

Makes me happy! :)
 
is it made in Germany or China, that's the steel used in the Byrd line

It looks like Germany made, the knife's blade and the papers have the company's logo (the diamond shaped one next to the USMC). I know nothing of this company yet, but I don't think they'd have it made in China and not marked it that way. Benchmade had the integrity to put "China" on the new Vex. Spyderco always does their "Golden, Colorado, USA, Earth", which makes me smile, or "Seki, Japan", so I imagine it was made in Germany. The fit and finish are good, and the grind lines on the blade are clean, sharp and symmetrical.

Oh, and I forgot to mention in the review, someone emailed me about it, the washers are yellow metal, not plastic.
 
It looks like Germany made, the knife's blade and the papers have the company's logo (the diamond shaped one next to the USMC). I know nothing of this company yet, but I don't think they'd have it made in China and not marked it that way. Benchmade had the integrity to put "China" on the new Vex. Spyderco always does their "Golden, Colorado, USA, Earth", which makes me smile, or "Seki, Japan", so I imagine it was made in Germany. The fit and finish are good, and the grind lines on the blade are clean, sharp and symmetrical.

Oh, and I forgot to mention in the review, someone emailed me about it, the washers are yellow metal, not plastic.

So Vess, which do you prefer; the Spyderco Gunting or the Lapu Lapu Corto? Which one seems more durable?
 
Just a couple of translations of words I found in this thread:

Lapu Lapu = local chieftain who slew Ferdinand Magellan in what would later be called the Philippine Islands, or Las Islas Filipinas in Spanish. Lapu-lapu or lapulapu would be the fish called amberjack.

Gunting = scissors (why would a knife be called this name?)

Corto = short

Hope these will help the curious.
 
gunting in filipino martial arts is a scissors action with the arms to deflect an incoming attack while simultaneously striking the attacking limb
 
So Vess, which do you prefer; the Spyderco Gunting or the Lapu Lapu Corto? Which one seems more durable?

It's a tough call, it really is.

After having the Lapu Lapu in my hands daily over the past week (first batch of sheaths gets done in about 2 hrs), it really is very handy. I like that it is thinner than the Gunting, and lighter, for carrying it around. The funny thing is, it is only about 1 mm thinner, but I can feel it, and the weight is practically identical to the Gunting. So the knife with almost the same properties feels lighter somehow, better balanced.

The Gunting is very straight, handle to tip when open. The LLC is crooked, with handle and the tip on the opposite ends of the "S" curve. So pushing forward curves the handle into the palm, rather than having to grab it and make sure your hand doesn't slip, as it would on the Gunting. Slashes are also very nice, which was to be expected from a curved blade, with the Gunting the cut is mostly with the tip section of the blade (mirror of the swedge onto the cutting edge), where with the LLC you instinctively can start anywhere on the blade, even very close to the handle, and just draw and turn the blade a little and it just dives into the target.

I like the pommel on the LLC too, because it has a more pronounced horn, preventing the hand from slipping even more, and the teeth help the grip immensely too. The finger trap between that horn on the blade side of the handle near the pommel and the cutting edge with the blade slightly open is a very scary thing, there's just no getting out of it without leaving most of your finger behind, much easier done than with the Gunting, and higher degree of contol (curved blade).

So it's really hard to pick one. Gunting feels like a tank (even though the weight is the same as LLC), but I guess because of thicker liners and more massive everything it just feels a little more substantial than LLC. By the same token, LLC with the Gunting's weight feels very light, almost toy-like, and in my opinion the larger indexing hole on the front scale is worth its weight in gold. LLC, when you got a grip on it, feels like it's never coming out. But with a Gunting you have to be aware of your grip, because the steel liner edges with use are slick like glass, and so you tighten the grip whenever needed (which in my case sends a warning as the knuckles whiten noticeably, I have bony spliderfingers). And obviously rakes with the teeth on the handle leave SPECTACULAR marks compared to the grooves left by the Gunting. Gunting rake feels almost pleasant by comparison. Yeeeeaaaaawawwwww! is the common reaction.

Then, on the back of my mind, there's always the thought that Guntings have been discontinued, and one of the two live ones I have has significant sentimental value (a birthday present with a history to it), so I don't plan on carrying it much, whereas LLC is being produced now. After I finish the sheaths and walk around with it some more, it'll give me a better idea.
 
I'm sorry..I haven't responded sooner..
my old account didn't work..my fault not BBlade Forums..and I've been out of country and well busy..

the LLC is the newest member of the Gunting Family of knives using the patented Kinetic opening Indexing
Yes... there's a new actual Gunting in the Gunting family..its coming back late on..of course very improved..
Watch for a Strider version as well..The TANK..
the Lapu Lapu Corto is a folder of the my fixed blade Lapu Lapu design which will soon come from Strider. The fixed blade was done originally with the late Rob Simonich.
THe LLC comes in Mini size, standard( about size of Gunting) and Magnum..
It also will come in 4 types: Red Trainer Drone, Blue CRMIPT close range Medium Impact Tool, Black Live Blade and orange Rescue..with matching fixed blades coming out later..
There's other new tactical folders coming soon: the Tusok, the DeSangut ( there are no such things as Kerambit- Karambits where I've been in the Philippines, they come from Indoneasia but there are Sanguts), the SNAG, the Abaniko Corto...

The LLC is not a compression lock but a puzzle lock. A compression lock has a shelf on the butt of the blade and the liner rests on the shelf between it and the stop pin.
A Puzzle lock ( patent pending) , my original lock before the compression lock, is a puzzle piece fits into the butt of the blade. I can't say more ( see patent pending) If the puzzle lock fails( catastrophic failure) it becomes by default a compression style lock to save your fingers...

There are bronze phosphor washers..

The Green version was done for the USMC @ their team leaders request... There are existing Drones red trainer with bead blast finish same as live blade( liners, clip, screws, blade)for it as well. Eveything is non reflective as requested by the USMC Teams.

All my knives are named after Filipino concepts or names withm FMA. My way of showing respect to the art I love and my teachers.


Theres also a VILL system coming on the production LLC knives..
Vision Impaired Low Light identification system ( patent pending) so that color coding won't be only way to tell what's in your hand. My thanks to Thom Buck of Patriot Arms for helping me with that..
The KinOp feature ( Patent) and ergonomics already make the LLC and Gunting hadicapped usable,..

My thanks to Ed Schempp and Dialex for all their help in the LLC..


be safe
Bram
 
Magnum is a bigger knife. Closed 6"..blade 4-1/8th inches
Mini:closed 4 -1/4"..Blade 2 -7/8ths inches
Standard: closed 5 inches blade 2 7/8ths inches
 
Liners are same thickness, full hard steel
Aus-8 steel blade
G10 is a silly millimeter thiner so 2 millimeters overall..and not as big beacuse they are proud liners..(liner sticks out past scales with grabbing teeth)..G10 smaller than liner size so weight reduction there as well.. OK its a big difference in weight
 
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