Break your 0560

scdub said:
Yeah - as I was thinking it through I could see several reasons why companies publishing stuff like that might not be a good thing. There'd be a bunch more 16oz. "pocketknives" on the market for instance...

Still can't help enjoying watching destruction/abuse tests. I will never be convinced that many of those tests, when done as consistently/scientifically as possible, do give a lot of valuable information - at least for knives calling themselves "hard-use".

Edit: or "combat" or "survival", etc. These knives should hold up under stress and sadly many don't.
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I think it creates an unrealistic vision of what a knife can do. "My lock can hold XXXX lbs and still works" Great, hows it slice tomatoes? Does it pull 3' cross grain cardboard rips? How well does it spread jam on my bagel?

Like I said, I really like tearing stuff up, and I like knowing that my knife can handle itself in a jam, but if you have to put more than a couple dozen lbs of pressure on your blade, then you are doing it wrong.

If you are in a tough spot, and you need your knife to do some "non knife stuff", its nice to know it can take it.

I batoned my 303 through a pine 2x4 with a ton of knots, with me heading right at them or through them.

I don't think I even caused a rubbed spot on the DLC coating. Still locks up like a tank tread, and I have no doubt that it will serve me well.

And to think, the 561 I got, has pretty much the same lock. And some really cool ball bearings. :D

Moose
 
My 2 cents. My dad farm for 30 years and used a old cheap slip joint. Never did break it. How strong do we need a knife to open a letter, cut cardboard or even to gut and skin a deer. I have saw my dad use the old slip joint to skin a deer, and not get a hair on it. He did not use it as a screw driver or pry bar.He would go it one. I think people have gone over board on how strong a knife needs to be. I farmed for years to and a browning slip joint worked fine, and I cut ever thing with it. I think we have some grear knives that are plenty strong. I think spyderco, BM, and ZT and some other make knives that are plenty strong for anyone that KNOW HOW TO USE A KNIFE LIKE KNIFE. I sure don't want to break my ZT's, BM or spyderco's. I like them to much!
 
I think people want all these big knives because we don't all have an axe in the back of the truck anymore.

Seriously, am I the only one that remembers those being "normal" things to carry in the back of a truck?


(Mental note: Get axe for back of VW.)

Edit: Also. These things are awesome.
 
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Joshua J. said:
I think people want all these big knives because we don't all have an axe in the back of the truck anymore.

Seriously, am I the only one that remembers those being "normal" things to carry in the back of a truck?
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that sir just depends on who you ask, i currently have a ax and a big knife in the back of my truck along with many other tools and useful items. but them again im outside of the normal.
 
I keep a Tramontina Machete in the back of my pathfinder, along with some food and water.

I don't use an axe much anymore, don't need to cut stuff that big. Other folks very well might, so, keeping something that you will need someday, is all that matters.

0561 in my pocket, and my SAK.

Moose
 
Why oh why in the lords name would you try to cut through s30v?
I guess that's all of these little teeny boppers that decided they NEED a knife that can cut through a 6" thick plate of hardened steel.
I agree it's good to know that your knife can handle any task you need it for. But when oh when do you need to cut through s30v? And why would anyone want to trash their 0560? It can handle what you'll actually use it for.
I just did a lot of testing with one of my knives today. With wood and cardboard.
 
I sometimes have to save a while before buying some of these knives so when I see someone shoving the 0560 in wet sand and small rocks (to see how well KVT works...it worked perfectly) or smacking the spine of a blade on large rocks just to see if it'll withstand the beating I cringe. I completely understand wanting to know if your lock works properly but frankly I've never had a lock fail (I use my knives for cutting and I use them a lot) and I wouldn't cut myself if my knives were all Slipjoints so I'm certainly not concerned about lock failure on any of my ZT knives.

It's their knife and they can certainly do whatever they like with it but seeing a nice knife used to cut into a bar of steel seems like huge waste to me when a cheap hacksaw would do a much better job. When I'm cooking I don't cut up veggies with a hammer and when I paint I don't use a rake...I find its best to use each tool as it was intended and I prefer to take care of my tools.
Just my opinion.
 
shqxk said:
Ask NeptuneKnives to do this. He abused plenty of expensive knives.

XM-18 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM_0_ebDQAQ

PM2 CTS-20CP cut thru PM2 S30V -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHwSusTHBE
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I hope I never end up buying a knife on the used market that was owned by this guy. Does anybody have his BF and EBAY user handles? :eek: It's VERY obvious he did not have to work hard (or work at all) to earn the money to get the knives he has.

If I ever get a chance to meet him I'll grab his arm and ram it against a pole..... just to see if I am capable of breaking someone's arm by doing that in case I ever need to. :cool:
 
The Logical One said:
I hope I never end up buying a knife on the used market that was owned by this guy. Does anybody have his BF and EBAY user handles? :eek: It's VERY obvious he did not have to work hard (or work at all) to earn the money to get the knives he has.

If I ever get a chance to meet him I'll grab his arm and ram it against a pole..... just to see if I am capable of breaking someone's arm by doing that in case I ever need to. :cool:
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While I get your point (it's the internet, we're all a bunch of kidders...) you're abusing your anonymity a bit much. Remember that there is no such thing as sarcasm in text, and physical threats are not cool under any circumstances.
 
Joshua J. said:
I think people want all these big knives because we don't all have an axe in the back of the truck anymore.

Seriously, am I the only one that remembers those being "normal" things to carry in the back of a truck?


(Mental note: Get axe for back of VW.)

Edit: Also. These things are awesome.
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I have a tomhawk in the back of my miata. :D close enough?
 
The way many people get defensive about lock testing on this forum has an almost anti-science feel to it. The lock is on there to keep the knife from shutting why shouldn't people want an idea how effective it is? The fact that knife makers hardly ever even give a ball park figure is strange since in just about every other industry critical components or systems are almost always listed with a range of operating tolerances.
The bottom line is that it is perfectly fine to be interested in lock strength and to test locks.
 
The testing of locking systems is very important, but the methods in which they are tested are even more crucial.
Neptuneknives proves that amateur boys shouldn't be testing anything.
I wanted to yell at him through most of the videos.
 
Joshua J. said:
I think people want all these big knives because we don't all have an axe in the back of the truck anymore.

Seriously, am I the only one that remembers those being "normal" things to carry in the back of a truck?
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Buy me a truck.:)
I think it might look odd packing an axe on the city bus.;)
 
Guys, I understand that people are curious about lock strength, and I don't want to underplay the value of testing the strength of a lock. However, I would strongly discourage any of you from attempting to perform destructive testing on any of our products. Doing so could likely result in serious injury, and from a legal standpoint we cannot endorse this kind of testing by anyone.

Under normal use, the locks on our products should be far stronger than they ever need to be. Our concern is for the safety of our customers, and performing destructive testing in your garage is very unsafe.
 
Joshua J. said:
While I get your point (it's the internet, we're all a bunch of kidders...) you're abusing your anonymity a bit much. Remember that there is no such thing as sarcasm in text, and physical threats are not cool under any circumstances.
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I'm obviously being sarcastic, hence the emoticon. I don't know about you but I wasn't very happy to see him ABUSING such nice knives. First of all, those are knives that a lot of people need to fork out a huge chunk of cash for, and for some they can only dream to someday be able to afford one. Secondly, knives like the Hinderer Xm, a lot of work has been put into it. If the knife had to be used to pry open something to save somebody's life, even if it breaks it was worth it. However it has been damaged in vain just because some dude decides to see where its breaking limit is.

I know this might be taking it to the extreme, but IMHO it is no different from people who likes to torture animals or rip off insects legs to see how long it takes for them to die.
 
+1,000
As a professional engineer who has at times wdone this sort of thing in the work place I have to say, its damn dangerous at best. High forces, sharp/hard bits and unexpected consequences all make it best to only do with proper equipment in controlled circumstances.

jimmer_5 said:
Guys, I understand that people are curious about lock strength, and I don't want to underplay the value of testing the strength of a lock. However, I would strongly discourage any of you from attempting to perform destructive testing on any of our products. Doing so could likely result in serious injury, and from a legal standpoint we cannot endorse this kind of testing by anyone.

Under normal use, the locks on our products should be far stronger than they ever need to be. Our concern is for the safety of our customers, and performing destructive testing in your garage is very unsafe.
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I saw a video one time of a guy breaking bricks with knife called a Mission MPK. I reckon it's some type of titanium alloy. Sorta stupid really. But now I am wondering if this Elmax steel could hold up to such insane acts? What do you guys think?
 
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