Breaking fine thread taps... Grr...

Wow,

Thanks everyone for all the advice. Hopefully I'll be able to find a store around here where I can get some better taps. I'd never bought anything from Vermont American before, but I typically get good tools from that particular store, so I just took for granted that they'd be quality tools. Looks like I learned a lesson.

I'll definitely have to look into possibly getting one of Jeff's tap devices. Looks like it would make my life easier.

Now, I'm off to find somewhere online to buy some better quality taps.

Thanks guys,
-Parke1
 
Did you get those holes tapped yet?
I read in your first post that you had broken four taps. Four? I would think that most of the folks who frequent these forums have a least a clue of what to do! You sound rather intelligent, so I would think that even by the odds, one of those would have worked.
What I'm saying is, I don't think it's taps, quality of taps, oil, holders, techniques or methods.
I say your steel is just too hard.
You need to figure out how to do a good sherodizing anneal on that stuff. It should be held at the 1300 degree range for an hour or so and slowly dropped. This will make it soft enough you can chew on it.
If you still encounter problems with your current process, email me and I'll give you the exact formula.
 
Hmm,

1300 degrees for an hour might be tough, since I'm using a coal-fired forge built from a brake drum...

I'll have to do some testing tonight and compare this steel to a known piece of fully annealed soft steel. I think you may be right about the technique, although I definitely want to invest in some good taps.

Thanks,
-Parke1
 
Do this:
Get some of the lime at your local farm type store that is used in horse stalls and such. The finely grained stuff. (Vermiculite will work - poorly. It won't hold heat as well as lime.)
You'll need a container. I built a wooden box about 2 feet long and 12" square. Fill it with the lime. It'll be heavy! But, if all you have at the moment is a coal forge, and until you upgrade, you should use it with almost every knife you forge.
Get two heavy pieces of steel. I was using some 1/2" thick by about 3 inch wide and 10 inches long when I was still using this method before I upgraded.
Heat these pieces of steel up in your coal until they are fairly even red - not orange or yellow! - and bury them in the lime on edge about two inches apart.
Heat up your steel that you want sperodized up to about the same color as the steel bars. you don't want to get too hot! Not up to 1500 or you may end up actually hardening them some! Just red!
Then, stick this between the other two bars. Pour a couple inches of lime on top and cover this with some type of lid.
Back in the day when I was using coal and spherodizing like this, I would do it in the evening so I could be careful of my colors. When I would go out to the forge the next morning, that lime was still hot! Even a few hours later, the steel was still RED!!
You can do it. I know you can.
Some people just wig-out when they hear the word "anneal" and start shouting about how you don't need to do a full anneal on blades. Well, this is NOT a full anneal!! This is a spherodizing anneal that equally pools all of the carbides throughout the steal which allows for free machining and drilling and grinding, etc. (And tapping!!)
That is why I said not to go to full orange color! Just up to a good even red. It's probably even still fully magnetic at this point. It's the slooooooooooooooooooooooooooow cooling that is doing the trick here - NOT the heat. If that makes sense.
My good friend Mike Fitzgerald (Fitzo) will tell you that almost all steels with any carbon at all will go non-magnetic at 1413 degrees. Not to go off on another tangent, but that's why some folks have a hard time hardening their steel is that they think if they go non-magnetic and quench, their steel should get hard! Sorry! For instance, 5160 needs to be held at 1525 for a while. That's a long way from 1413/non-magnetic!!!!
Anyway.....
The first pic is the box itself.
The second one is how you would anneal a blade or any tool steel. I removed some of the lime so you can see the positioning.
This you then cover with as much lime as you have.
That box weighs over 100 pounds!
anneal1.jpg

anneal.jpg
 
About 100 pounds and the accent, for starters. Here in the flatlands of the Chicago area of New England we sound a bit different. :D

YW, Stacy! :)

at 1500 miles from me new England in spreading out fast .. Stacy congrads you a must be a New Englander now too :D do yah like Lobsta :)
 
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