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This is not a full-blown review. I just wanted to share a little on my Breeden/BTD CUB. Bear' reviewed it several days ago and was better able to cover the important apsects since he was instrumental in the design, while Bryan facilitated the realization of Bearthedog's ideas. I was impressed enough with what I saw in the review and the dimensions appealed to me, especially with the tall blade and chubby handle, that I quickly got on our own Brian Andrews' Off the Map Outfitters and found one left, in my favorite color, so I ordered it. I got busted though. Brian's wife noticed and I was "made" buying another knife while whining about all the steel I had piling up arouind me.:o

So, here's the deal - I have been using this little handful for a few days now. It's "that time of year" and I have an abundance of apples so I have been making something of apples regularly. Three softball-sized apples went into an apple crisp after being peeled and sectioned with this overly-large-for-paring knife, but it worked very well, much to my own surprise. I have prep'd several fires using it in normal fashion to baton some light kindling and make a basket of fuzzies. I have "whittled" with it for grins and slayed a few errant cherry saplings, all with little surprise at how well it worked. Kind of boring to this point, but tonight, after splitting some firewood, I realized it was in my pocket and decided to see how it fared at cross-batoning.

I admit to being very unfair to Bryan's knives but have come to expect that they are going to "take it," so I picked up an inch and a half stick of seasoned Cherry, laid it on the chopping block and went to work. It went through so easily that I was surprised so I just kept hammering. The last whack put the blade through and it stuck in the dirty, gritty stump (unprintable verbiage omitted) so I took a couple pics, wiggled it out and split the stick and made fuzzies. When I checked the edge, it was literally shaving sharp, and I had been using it a few days.

This is the "stick."
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That is not my baton, it's the stick lying on the spine of the knife for display.
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THAT is my baton. OK, it's more of a club - a nice piece of Apple that has beaten many knives "like they stole something," as Jake would say.
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I see cross-batoning is very useful on green wood in particlar and it would have been easier with green wood and a fairer test, however, I modified the edge in my usual fashion by grinding out the secondary convex edge and feathering the convex from "zero" to about a half inch up the face of the blade and now have a very fine edge and "after-edge." I know I can do this with Bryan's knives because his HT has stood up to the fine edge and serious beatings, which is done to make sure I didn't get too thin. I didn't, and I tell you it IS thin and it WILL cut. One thing to note in cutting like this is that it helps greatly to only back up (support) the portion of the stick directly under the cut to allow the stick to "bend" as the knife wedges in. Otherwise, you will be working against a tremendous amount of friction made worse by pressure - your blade will be pinched. A cleaner cut, less stress on the knife and workpiece and less work on your part is a result of supporting only the small portion under the cut. Conserving energy is important in a survival situation and "smart use" of your tools, along with using properly made tools, will go a long way toward conserving energy you need to maintain your core temperature, collect and sterilize water, gather firewood, etc. Not to mention, when it's easier to do something you will be more likely to do it.:D

I should also mention that the service from Off the Map Outfitters was excellent. My order went through without a hitch, the knife arrived very promptly and I got a nice "thank you" note on the invoice.

Thanks for lookin'.
 
Looks great, thanks for sharing. I am really becoming a fan of Breeden knives. I know an orange handled pathfinder is in my future.
 
Nice.... what is the blade length? steel?

Thanks for the pics... I really like Breeden's stuff. I have to get one.
 
Nice.... what is the blade length? steel?

Thanks for the pics... I really like Breeden's stuff. I have to get one.

I knew I should have included a link to Bear's review!:o

Blade is 3 3/4" long, 1/8" thick and 1 3/16" tall.
Handle is 4 1/4" long and 15/16" thick - "chubby."
O1 - See? I remembered!:D
 
Hey everybody. I am glad, Jeff, that you got the chance to try one out for yourself and that people like it. Remember when we were talking on the phone I mentioned to you that I didn't know how people would respond to it, since it is about as plain as a knife can be. The truth is, it is what I think is a very basic knife for outdoor use and survival. That is why Bryan named it Basic Outdoor Survival at first. I am glad you got to see what I mean about the wider (taller) blade being very usefull for cross grain battoning and strength without the thickness. I am happy to say that Bryan sent me the 3/32-inch which is originally what the knife was designed to be made from. Like most custom makers Bryan gives the choice of thickness. So now I have the C.U.B. in 1/16", 3/32", and 1/8" thickness. I put the 1/16-inch C.U.B. through all the same tests as the 1/8-inch thick blade and it was perfect. Again, the wider blade adds to the strength.

-RB

Original Review of the Breeden C.U.B.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6067101#post6067101
 
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Bryan does make some kick ass knives. His little KAT/PSK hybrid has a special little place in my line-up of favorites. I have to agree with you on something - I never sweat a job when I have a Breeden in my hand!
 
Very cool knife and excellent writing!

Thanks as always for filling us in.
 
Very nice pics Jeff! That sure seems like one brute of a knife, for such a compact package. I really wish I could have played with those before they left :D
 
....Remember when we were talking on the phone I mentioned to you that I didn't know how people would respond to it, since it is about as plain as a knife can be.....-RB

Original Review of the Breeden C.U.B.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6067101#post6067101

I do remember that part of the conversation and you certainly described it well. I have struggled a bit to describe it for fear of anyone thinking I was disparaging the knife. I love "plain and simple," and I get a kick out of just looking at this one. Hopefully my "garden tool" comparisons are taken in the right vein. One thing about the "thick" version is that, with the tall blade, it still "cuts thinner" than one might expect. I like 3/32" for this length of blade but cannot find a complaint in the 1/8" version at all.

Thanks for posting the link to your review. I was going to bookmark it but I bought the knife before I finished reading it and forgot.:o Great work, Bear'. This design pleases me and I have been carrying it around in my pocket and using it quite a bit. I keep thinking a "spare" with Curly Maple scales would be really nice.
 
Very cool knife and excellent writing!

Thanks as always for filling us in.

Thanks, Tony. Could have used you for "backup" after turning in assignments to my 9th grade English teacher!

....I really wish I could have played with those before they left :D

Yeah, I feel like a turd about that too. I was being sneaky or I would have told you to take it out and use it for a week before sending it. I am certainly never in such need of a "fix" that I have to have one all that quickly, so remember, next time I order a knife from you, I expect it to be a week late and DIRTY.:thumbup:
 
Brian I got an idea. How about you sell the knives at a discounted price? The catch is, they will come dirty, a little dull, and in a "Patina" finish. At least you will have fun!

-RB
 
Hi all,
Jeff thanks for the kind words on the knife I made. I am glad you like it. I think you might be onto something there with the curly maple. If you want a just a blank let me know I will make you up one. I bought some cocobolo wood scales( I hope I spelled that word right LOL ) just to try it out and see what it looks like. That might look pretty good on a CUB knife.:D
When I made up Bears the dogs in the 3/32" thickness I got to try it out and play with it some before sending it out to Reuben. That thickness is such a awesome thickness. Between that thickness and the 5/32" thickness those two are my favorites as of now. I carry both thicknesses every day and it is just a perfect combo for me to use.

That cross grain battoning in your pics look really good. I myself hardly ever do that but it is good to know that it works:D.

Brian, Bear might be onto something there LOL.

WOW kgd that is quite a comment ( Bryan makes kick ass knives ) Thanks LOL

Take care all,

Bryan
 
......If you want a just a blank let me know I will make you up one.....Bryan

You know I can't resist, Bryan!:o
But, I have to wade through these others first. As far as I have gotten is to have purchased materials for some of them. I can't have any other committments hanging over me when I start a handle because, once I start, I can't stop and it's a slow process. I am VERY excited to get scales on that Peacemaker. I have two special pairs of scales to choose from for that one - Natural Paper Micarta and "Ivory" Paper Micarta. Brass or Nickel Silver pins? Red, Blue or Black liners?? My head is spinning on this one. I want the handle to look as good as that blade.

The girth on the handle of the CUB though, has me in a quandary about how I shape the scales for my Peacemaker and my Monster-Shing. It is influencing me to maybe leave them thicker than even I usually like. The tall thin blade with the chubby handle amke the CUB pretty unique but it makes it work the way Bear' described. In addition to the extra "reach" in cross-batoning, the whole package makes a wonderfully useful and versatile blade. And, it just puts a grin on my face to handle and use it.:D
 
I like how clean the cut is on the cherry end grain. Must be a really sharp blade. Impressive. Thanks for the info. Nice and practical knife you have there.
 
Hey Jeff, even from your pics the knife looks larger than it really is! I think the wide blade makes it look big. I call it my "little big knife."
 
Hey Jeff, even from your pics the knife looks larger than it really is! I think the wide blade makes it look big. I call it my "little big knife."

Its features are slightly exaggerated - in real life, as I try to use a focal length that does not distort "reality" any more than necessary to get a good shot. It does not have a comical or whimsical look at all, as might be assumed by my comparisons. It is unique but certainly not "freakish." Its appearance gives you a sense that it is a lot of serious blade, yet is compact and agile. I guess the thing that makes your mind "jiggle" a little when you look at it is that, it handles so well for as "husky" as it appears. A little bit of a paradox - like a little red farm tractor that can do the quarter mile in the "low fourteens."
 
LOL Jeff the like the thought of the little red tractor doing the quarter in the low fourteens LOL Yep just let me know when you are ready for a blank and I will make you up one.


Bryan
 
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