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brennan & miller balisong video ?
- Thread starter Knovice
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Yep.
It's first rate, though unfortunately for the authors:
1) Balisongs became illegal in 48 states.
2) Sections in which the Balisong is deployed at full speed against a wooden pole or similar targets target left one with a feeling of ' Holy S**!!' No way could Bruce Lee, on his best day stop this sucker!
--Not quite the warm fuzzie feeling one gets from tapes showing unarmed disarms against multiple opponents armed with knives, sticks, handguns, AK-47's etc.
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The tapes were comprehensive (ever see a 3' Balisong?) methodical, and very practical.
No 'Road Warrior' attire, no 'certificates of journeyman level by mail' or other diplomas suitable for framing type of crap; No seminars for a Gadzillion dollars in the picturesque wilderness of a canyon, etc.
I believe the primary source was the late Ted Lucay Lucay's brand of no-nonsense FMA and JKD. Blended with Brennan & Miller's experience...
Overall excellent production values with very good footwork and very good insights to bladed combat in general--not just the Balisong.
Odd when one considers how old these tapes are.
I guess this was before people got black belts in FMA or re-invented the wheel, under a more 'scientific' name.
(Ah, well--one day they'll be giving black belts in JKD...)
*sigh*
[This message has been edited by J_Ringo (edited 08-07-2000).]
It's first rate, though unfortunately for the authors:
1) Balisongs became illegal in 48 states.
2) Sections in which the Balisong is deployed at full speed against a wooden pole or similar targets target left one with a feeling of ' Holy S**!!' No way could Bruce Lee, on his best day stop this sucker!
--Not quite the warm fuzzie feeling one gets from tapes showing unarmed disarms against multiple opponents armed with knives, sticks, handguns, AK-47's etc.
---------------------------------------------
The tapes were comprehensive (ever see a 3' Balisong?) methodical, and very practical.
No 'Road Warrior' attire, no 'certificates of journeyman level by mail' or other diplomas suitable for framing type of crap; No seminars for a Gadzillion dollars in the picturesque wilderness of a canyon, etc.
I believe the primary source was the late Ted Lucay Lucay's brand of no-nonsense FMA and JKD. Blended with Brennan & Miller's experience...
Overall excellent production values with very good footwork and very good insights to bladed combat in general--not just the Balisong.
Odd when one considers how old these tapes are.
I guess this was before people got black belts in FMA or re-invented the wheel, under a more 'scientific' name.
(Ah, well--one day they'll be giving black belts in JKD...)
*sigh*
[This message has been edited by J_Ringo (edited 08-07-2000).]
J_Ringo,
Thanks for the praise. I'm blushing!
Knovice,
This 3 tape series was one of Panther Productions early sets. They are 14 years old now, but the majority of the info is still relevant.
The first two tapes are each 1/2 FMA knife fighting and 1/2 Balisong openings and tricks. The third tape is about 1/3 double Balisong openings and the rest is knifework. The fighting portion starts very basic with footwork, stances, grips, use of the Balisong as a weapon in the closed position, basic 'defanging the snake/bio-mechanical cutting' principles. There are portions on the 12 angles of attack, demo'ed on human targets and the cutting post. There is training in single and double knife defenses and empty hand against the knife.
I'm not sure, but checking copyright dates I think we were one of the first to put FMA knife work on tape. This made for some odd gaps in the tapes, as FMA knife fighting was still the 'Big Secret'. My instructor, Guro Ted Lucaylucay, gave me a list of things we could show and things he did not want on tape. While there are lots of little things I think I would have done to improve the tapes, the only thing I would substantially change if I re-did them today would be the empty hand against the knife portion. Continuing experience in training and as an LEO had caused me to move away from the 'strips and locks' disarm style to the 'deflect the knife and smash their face and head until they drop the knife or go down' style.
Anyway, I still think they are a good value with usefull information (and I'm not just saying that for the royalties!)
Thanks for the praise. I'm blushing!
Knovice,
This 3 tape series was one of Panther Productions early sets. They are 14 years old now, but the majority of the info is still relevant.
The first two tapes are each 1/2 FMA knife fighting and 1/2 Balisong openings and tricks. The third tape is about 1/3 double Balisong openings and the rest is knifework. The fighting portion starts very basic with footwork, stances, grips, use of the Balisong as a weapon in the closed position, basic 'defanging the snake/bio-mechanical cutting' principles. There are portions on the 12 angles of attack, demo'ed on human targets and the cutting post. There is training in single and double knife defenses and empty hand against the knife.
I'm not sure, but checking copyright dates I think we were one of the first to put FMA knife work on tape. This made for some odd gaps in the tapes, as FMA knife fighting was still the 'Big Secret'. My instructor, Guro Ted Lucaylucay, gave me a list of things we could show and things he did not want on tape. While there are lots of little things I think I would have done to improve the tapes, the only thing I would substantially change if I re-did them today would be the empty hand against the knife portion. Continuing experience in training and as an LEO had caused me to move away from the 'strips and locks' disarm style to the 'deflect the knife and smash their face and head until they drop the knife or go down' style.
Anyway, I still think they are a good value with usefull information (and I'm not just saying that for the royalties!)
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Hey where can I get a copy of these videos?
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Try Asian World of Martial Arts http://www.awma.com
or Panther Video http://commerce1.i2net.com/acb_panther/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=47440&St=1442&St2=-145476923&St3=484267298&DS_ID=4&Product_ID=123&DID=8
[This message has been edited by K Williams (edited 08-10-2000).]
or Panther Video http://commerce1.i2net.com/acb_panther/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=47440&St=1442&St2=-145476923&St3=484267298&DS_ID=4&Product_ID=123&DID=8
[This message has been edited by K Williams (edited 08-10-2000).]
Clay
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I have all three videos in the series.
They're probably the better of the Balisong videos out there, and I always recommend them when people ask "which one should I get?".
Everything is explained in "idiot proof" detail......... very easy to understand.
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Clay
www.balisongxtreme.com
Because......
getting 'em open
is half the fun!
They're probably the better of the Balisong videos out there, and I always recommend them when people ask "which one should I get?".
Everything is explained in "idiot proof" detail......... very easy to understand.
------------------
Clay
www.balisongxtreme.com
Because......
getting 'em open
is half the fun!
Hey Knovice,
At the time of the video, 1986, passing, trapping, locking and stripping was THE WAY amongst SoCal FMA guys for dealing with a knife. As I mentioned before I was dealing with the "Big Secret" problem for showing certain techniques. This is why you see sections on passing, controlling and muscle strikes without the complete disarms and then some of the more rigid, single move disarms.
I still believe these control to a lock to a strip moves can be effective, in the right situation. However, the strip portion of almost all of the moves involves some type of contact with the knife, 90% of the time with the blade. FMA stylists will tell you they hit the back of the blade or the flats or that the hand is locked in place before the strip, preventing you from getting cut. We were using life size aluminum training blades, even back in the 80's, and we really believed this.
As we started working these moves with live blades of various shapes and styles (Very Slowly!) We found that those pesky edges seemed to contact your flesh a lot more than we thought. We had trained in numerous disarms that had you removing the knife from the BG's hand and using it against him. This often involved some awkward grips on the BG's knife, but it looks so coooll! When we substituted live blades again, you suddenly found that about half the time one or more of your fingers ended up on the razor sharp edge of the BG's knife. Another indicator to re-evaluate was that hardly anyone did a successfull lock and strip in sparring.
The current technique that I teach as a primary defense, and that is taught at our state police academy, is a variation on the Kali/Silat dive entry. To understand this, picture a BG throwing a straight right punch at your chin. You bring both hands and arms up like you are about to dive into a pool, hands together, elbows out a little and head tucked, using the arms for cover. The punch would deflect off your left arm and the hands snapping out, combined with a brisk step in, would strike to the face, throat or maybe a shoulder stop, depending on the situation. The key here is to combine the step in and arm movement for a deep drive, that snaps the head back.
To change this into a knife defense you just change the arm position a little. If the knife is coming down or in on an FMA angle 1 (high right, coming down) the left arm drifts out enough to deflect the arm coming down and the right hand goes to the face. Your drive should snap the head back, maybe even knock the BG on his butt. If you picure 100% of your energy going forward, maybe 15% goes into the deflection and 85% to the BG's head. The strike is an open palm strike and when you make contact your fingers are attempting to gouge/scratch eyes and do other damage also. In training with attackers in FIST and Redman suits, if you do the initial strike right, the knife doesn't get to the intended target or doesn't have enough energy to do much damage. If it's a highline backhand, you go to the outside and over the arm, with the right deflecting and left striking. If it's lowline slashes, you drop the deflecting arm the necessary amount. If it's a straight thrust you sidestep and deflect with the appropriate arm. There are simple follow ups that work from all of these positions, but it's the intitial power shot to the face/head that makes everything else work.
This is being taught to LEO's in my state as a universal defense for any agressive attack. If the BG whips his hand out from behind his back and towards my body, I don't have to try and see if he has a knife, empty hands or even a pistol. I deflect the approaching arm, while simultaneously smashing the head and follow up appropriately.
I have used it twice on the street, once against a straight empty hand punch and once again an angle 1 beer bottle attack. Both times it dumped the BG on his butt in a daze and follow up was easy.
At the time of the video, 1986, passing, trapping, locking and stripping was THE WAY amongst SoCal FMA guys for dealing with a knife. As I mentioned before I was dealing with the "Big Secret" problem for showing certain techniques. This is why you see sections on passing, controlling and muscle strikes without the complete disarms and then some of the more rigid, single move disarms.
I still believe these control to a lock to a strip moves can be effective, in the right situation. However, the strip portion of almost all of the moves involves some type of contact with the knife, 90% of the time with the blade. FMA stylists will tell you they hit the back of the blade or the flats or that the hand is locked in place before the strip, preventing you from getting cut. We were using life size aluminum training blades, even back in the 80's, and we really believed this.
As we started working these moves with live blades of various shapes and styles (Very Slowly!) We found that those pesky edges seemed to contact your flesh a lot more than we thought. We had trained in numerous disarms that had you removing the knife from the BG's hand and using it against him. This often involved some awkward grips on the BG's knife, but it looks so coooll! When we substituted live blades again, you suddenly found that about half the time one or more of your fingers ended up on the razor sharp edge of the BG's knife. Another indicator to re-evaluate was that hardly anyone did a successfull lock and strip in sparring.
The current technique that I teach as a primary defense, and that is taught at our state police academy, is a variation on the Kali/Silat dive entry. To understand this, picture a BG throwing a straight right punch at your chin. You bring both hands and arms up like you are about to dive into a pool, hands together, elbows out a little and head tucked, using the arms for cover. The punch would deflect off your left arm and the hands snapping out, combined with a brisk step in, would strike to the face, throat or maybe a shoulder stop, depending on the situation. The key here is to combine the step in and arm movement for a deep drive, that snaps the head back.
To change this into a knife defense you just change the arm position a little. If the knife is coming down or in on an FMA angle 1 (high right, coming down) the left arm drifts out enough to deflect the arm coming down and the right hand goes to the face. Your drive should snap the head back, maybe even knock the BG on his butt. If you picure 100% of your energy going forward, maybe 15% goes into the deflection and 85% to the BG's head. The strike is an open palm strike and when you make contact your fingers are attempting to gouge/scratch eyes and do other damage also. In training with attackers in FIST and Redman suits, if you do the initial strike right, the knife doesn't get to the intended target or doesn't have enough energy to do much damage. If it's a highline backhand, you go to the outside and over the arm, with the right deflecting and left striking. If it's lowline slashes, you drop the deflecting arm the necessary amount. If it's a straight thrust you sidestep and deflect with the appropriate arm. There are simple follow ups that work from all of these positions, but it's the intitial power shot to the face/head that makes everything else work.
This is being taught to LEO's in my state as a universal defense for any agressive attack. If the BG whips his hand out from behind his back and towards my body, I don't have to try and see if he has a knife, empty hands or even a pistol. I deflect the approaching arm, while simultaneously smashing the head and follow up appropriately.
I have used it twice on the street, once against a straight empty hand punch and once again an angle 1 beer bottle attack. Both times it dumped the BG on his butt in a daze and follow up was easy.