Bring Back the 184!

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bucksway

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I have to admit. ..I want one! It wasn't on my radar back in the 80's and 90's and I still think a 120 or a 124 is a more useful but there is just something about all them teeth and spikes! It just looks mean and tough. My son asked me to keep a eye out for one for him so I've looked at a lot of lately.
How hard or expensive would it be for Buck to make a run of a few thousands? Lots of collecting intrest in the model's and since a complete NIB is north of $500.00 why not? Buck could ask close to that and it would not hurt the value of the originals and in fact would likely increase them even more! You can build a lot of knife that sells for $300.00 to $400.00 so why not CJ? I'm sure you would sell a lot. ..Buck sold over 50,000 in one year so a run of 2500 would fly out the door and you could ask a LOT more for them than back then ...
 
My thought's exactly!
But it's probably just that, any matured knife user worth his salt
would probably balk at the thought of a full length saw back :)
(reality check in place,
it's now the age of the millennial ferrocerium rod bushcrafter
with an infernal passion for batoning).
The legacy full tang skeletonized handle Buckmaster light (model 185)
might be a distinct possibility for an actual rehash.
It's after all, much lighter; but the handle IMHO was generally cut rather wide
and hence probably worked better for folks with long fingers...
Would seriously suggest any foreseeable new prototypes
to remodel with a much narrower handle profile.
Along with options for owners to attach removable scales,
to create or rather to enable anyone
to customize an individual measure of the handle's "bulk".
Though I sense that it would not be beyond most diehards to want
the full treatment of the iconic where-to-stash "anchor pins"
and full metal blown "hollow handle" for that nostalgic weighty feel!
Yes, lighter PRC Rambo knives are still around for folks
very much caught up in the time warp...
but believe it or not, buck knives had of late
resurrected the nighthawk (TOPS/Buck Nighthawk)
and even the intrepid (Intrepid-L 625);
both with some sorta colorful past history concerning USN SEALs.

Below is a link of a picture which was found in an article written by Steve Dick
For the September 1994 issue of the national knife collectors association.
http://www.nkcayouth.com/images/knife images/NKCA_magazine_cover_1994_09_September.jpg
It is the picture of the forerunners of the buck nighthawk model.
Purportedly these are the buck knives
(which he states as the flat, regular and beefy model)
evaluated and tested
In that infamous navy seal knife test of the early 90's.
(Namely the Buck Model ST, Buck ST0, Buck ST5)
but I haven't a clue which is which
the picture can be found on page 30 of the article...
https://postimg.org/image/7cxz7s1gr/
The blades were ground from 1/4" stock 154cm steel
And were Titanium nitrate coated
The flat model was a single sided blade ground.
The regular and beefy models were flat grounded
with one cutting bevel wider than the other...
the narrower bevel was left uncoated for sharpening.
The beefy came in at 11.5 ounces,
whilst the flat and regular at 10.5 ounces.
Purportedly, the flat butt end on these knives were meant to pound nails!
 
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bucksway said:
I have to admit. ..I want one! It wasn't on my radar back in the 80's and 90's and I still think a 120 or a 124 is a more useful......
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Let's not forget this one. It looks like another that's both useful and beautiful and will carry excellent collector value and appeal.

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Until recently I was not aware of huge number of custom 184's as I was not looking for them. Big massive Bucks have always appealed to me even back to the big D-guard customs.I don't know exactly what it would take for Buck to manufacture a run of of 2500 but no doubt it will cheeper in 2018 than in 1984..
 
bucksway said:
I don't know exactly what it would take for Buck to manufacture a run of of 2500 but no doubt it will cheeper in 2018 than in 1984..
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Clint, I'm curious, why you think it would be cheaper today? The cost of everything has gone up! Buck would most likely have to retool and for 2500 knives...I just don't see how. Preston
 
Another problem is that the market is flooded with similar knives that are incredibly cheap.

Most of the budding young Rambos don't have $500.......but they can get something like this for 20 dollars.

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They built a bunch of them and they are always for sale everywhere. No need to build more.
 
THERE ARE SOME REALLY COOL BUT KEY FEATURES THAT CANT BE SHOWN YET in any or all teaser pictures YET...
Here are some FACTS I can state
* I can tell you that Commander Tom Coulter (Commanding Officer of SEAL Team 3 at the time of the BuckMaster, also the SEAL who drew the anchor idea on a beer napkin at Dooley McKluskys in early 80's) HAD direct input , the late Bob MacDonald of PHROBIS companies and myself.

*Robert 'Bob" MacDonald ( who made the original prototypes of the BuckMaster 184, BuckMaster lite 185, Titanium 186, venerable M9 Bayonet, Combat Utility Knife (CUK) and Modualer field Knife (MFK) by hand) made 4 prototypes of this next generation before he passed away...

* The final designs are AWESOME and exactly the what the Commander wanted and he has already tested one of the prototypes.
Soon im sure BUCK will make a few more prototypes so The Commander and a few others can test..them ..

*This Next Generation will have
ALL of the strengths NONE of the weaknesses in the previous models..

*I cant disclose the type of point but it will be STRONG and a point shape and blade length is what the Commander requested! .
 
Here is a picture of the corner of Dooley McKluskys The Commander, Mickey Finn , Harry Camphuysen, Doug Olson, Rick and Bob MacDonald and others would hang out
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Buck has developed lean manufacturing and I'm sure in the last 30 years has learned how to make any model in the most efficient way possible . I'm not a engineer but simply believe Buck could could make a limited number, say 5,000 or so, profitably. ..
 
TAH said:
Party pooper! :p

You forgot to mention the important part, so I fixed it. :D :thumbsup:
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Search completed auctions on eBay and see how many sold in the $150-$250 range.
Unless you absolutely have to have that pristine oddball variation safe queen, dont buy into the hype. They can be bought for reasonable prices if you wait. Look at gunshows and buy from someone who wants to actually make a sale.

The two most overpriced Buck knife items in relationship to how many were made are anything Harley Davidson and Buckmaster. Unfortunately they both attract buyers used to paying out the .... for lifestyle brand items.
 
VorpalRain said:
Another problem is that the market is flooded with similar knives that are incredibly cheap.

Most of the budding young Rambos don't have $500.......but they can get something like this for 20 dollars.

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Great point however I assure you Commander DT Coulter , the late Bob MacDonald and I fixed all the weakness of the 184. The 185 was very well received by the SEALs. And the 185 was the natural progression. The late Bob MacDonald was the genius behind The PHROBIS company’s. Sure team effort however still was an amazing man! The goal this time around was a cost effective but bad ass knife in a decent price range with probable Military applications! I can’t desclose much but personally I believe and have faith that this updated knife will be a YUGE number of sales.
 
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DeSotoSky said:
Search completed auctions on eBay and see how many sold in the $150-$250 range.
Unless you absolutely have to have that pristine oddball variation safe queen, dont buy into the hype. They can be bought for reasonable prices if you wait. Look at gunshows and buy from someone who wants to actually make a sale.

The two most overpriced Buck knife items in relationship to how many were made are anything Harley Davidson and Buckmaster. Unfortunately they both attract buyers used to paying out the .... for lifestyle brand items.
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In 1985 they almost cost $175. I was a young guy that’s like $375 now. BUCK sold over 100,000! All those guys are mid age I hate to say that darn it BECAUSE that my age group. I know that this NEXT Gen will be totally BAD ASS! I wish I could tell you the list of friends that are testing the prototypes of this NEXT Gen ( name still not for sure) so let’s put it THIS way. True BAD MF SEALs a combination of over 100 YEARs of Service amongst the Small group! Special Forces Green Berets a combination of over 50 years of Service amongst that even smaller group.This is the quality of people the Commander and myself assembled JUST to give EXPERT input before being released. Seriously pretty BAD ASS! I can tell ya The next gen BuckMaster will be a high quality ALL American made and suprizingly quite affordable PLUS not only old farts like me will buy them these young folks will love these also
 
TAH said:
Party pooper! :p

You forgot to mention the important part, so I fixed it. :D :thumbsup:
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Totally agree! Why the heck would you buy the old ones unless you love it ! But that shows you there’s a freaking market still for these knives! With that said the new one will and has some BAD ASS pat pending stuff that will blow you away and QUITE affordable! All US made
 
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