British Bill Wants To Ban Replica Guns...

i'm pretty sure that nails and teeth are next. who knows, maybe clenching a fist in public will become illegal... than frowning!

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He said: "All we're suggesting is that if you go in to buy a knife, that we ask for an address and identification and I would suggest further that we would then post the knife to you.

"That seems to me reasonable.

To tyrants, the unreasonable always seems reasonable.
 
Svashtar said:
Since they have already banned toy plastic guns, even with the orange plastic muzzle inserts, as well as BB guns, pellet guns, cigarette lighters shaped like guns, pictures of guns, and the mention of guns, I am very surprised this has taken so long to come about.

Of course, their robbery numbers have subsequently skyrocketed, and for a nation 1/10 of our population it is several times higher than ours, but the fools and cowards making and passing these laws just don't see the connection.

Norm
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A further sillyness:

six years ago two police from the armed response unit in the UK, attending a reported man wandering the streets with a 'sawn-off shotgun in a paper sack' incident at night, upon accosting the perp asked him to put down his weapon and put his hands up. he didn't, got abusive and started to point it at him. they shot him. turned out it was a table leg in a sack (of course it was a bludgeon which could just as easily killed someone, just at closer range)

after numerous charges up to & including murder, internal trials, IAD interviews, internal reviews, lack of promotion and numerous life interferences, and the passing of six years, the system finally spat them out & decided they were not guilty & all charges were dropped against the officers this spring.

the 'victims' family has decided to get even by calling for a private prosecution for murder.

Really support our police over here, don't we. another reason for the increased crime, and why they cannot recruit enough police, especially from minorities. most police are unarmed, and those who are have to put up with years of second guessing and harrassment if they actually have to do what they were trained for.
 
richardallen said:
kronckew, I dont get it. Are you supporting they killed him or aren't you?

Keno
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what i am saying is that when in the dark, confronted by a large man carrying what was reported to be a shotgun points it at you after repeated calls to drop the weapon, it is perfectly reasonable and legal to want to protect your own life and that of your partner by shooting him first. a soldier or policeman cannot be restricted to only shooting AFTER the perp has shot first, their goal is to prevent the perp from shooting someone. it is sad it turned out to be a bludgeon rather than a gun, but it should never have taken six years to exhonerate the cops for doing what they were supposed to do. the perps family should not be allowed to harrass them further either. the perp had plenty of opportunity to comply with the polices requests and chose not to.

the six years of hassle, harrassment and beurocracy the cops suffered was outrageous. it sends the wrong message to other police that if they are confronted with an armed felon, best to just run away and let the felon get on with whatever they were doing rather than go thru years of hell if they actually try do do their job as protectors of society.
 
faramir said:
Are they going to ban [steel] tubing eventually as well ? Just about any tube can be converted into bullet-firing device. Then again, even a block of steel could be made into a gun, it's just easier to do with a tube. Banning blank-firing replicas is kinda silly.
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take a piece of steel tube about a foot long, cut one end about 30 degrees and friction tape the other end to form a handle. makes a nasty weapon.

point being ANYTHING is a weapon when used by someone intending it to be so. can't ban eveything, but they'll keep on trying rather than doing something effective but more difficult.

to paraphrase,

lightsabre not the weapon, your mind the weapon is, young jedi
 
I banned toy and replica guns at my house. Of course I taught my kids to shoot real guns as soon as they were able. Still, they were often upset because I wouldn't let them have the common toys other kids have.

Those toys are just too dangerous to be around my house. They look like weapons, but when you pull the trigger they don't really fire.

Now that's what I call dangerous!
 
well you know, if I'd live in Britain and didn't like my neighbors, I'd call the police and tell them my neighbor's got a a shotgun or something ;)

I do understand what you are trying to say - it's a bad situation for the cops, and the time to decide is very short. still i am wondering, if he's got a wrapped up shotgun, how will he shoot it? Then again, I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was like. It probably wasn't the smartest move to resist.

the six years of hassle, harrassment and beurocracy the cops suffered was outrageous. it sends the wrong message to other police that if they are confronted with an armed felon, best to just run away and let the felon get on with whatever they were doing rather than go thru years of hell if they actually try do do their job as protectors of society.[\QUOTE]

I think it also sends the message that for one the felon wasn't a felon and not armed either, and that's it's sometimes a good idea to make sure what you're shooting. I mean, they didn't even see a weapon, did they? It wasn't like he was waving a replica gun or anything, it was a sack with a long object.

Still, I bet whoever called the police on this guy got what he wanted.

regards, Keno
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richardallen said:
well you know, if I'd live in Britain and didn't like my neighbors, I'd call the police and tell them my neighbor's got a a shotgun or something ;)

I do understand what you are trying to say - it's a bad situation for the cops, and the time to decide is very short. still i am wondering, if he's got a wrapped up shotgun, how will he shoot it? Then again, I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was like. It probably wasn't the smartest move to resist.

the six years of hassle, harrassment and beurocracy the cops suffered was outrageous. it sends the wrong message to other police that if they are confronted with an armed felon, best to just run away and let the felon get on with whatever they were doing rather than go thru years of hell if they actually try do do their job as protectors of society.[\QUOTE]

I think it also sends the message that for one the felon wasn't a felon and not armed either, and that's it's sometimes a good idea to make sure what you're shooting. I mean, they didn't even see a weapon, did they? It wasn't like he was waving a replica gun or anything, it was a sack with a long object.

Still, I bet whoever called the police on this guy got what he wanted.

regards, Keno
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it sounds like you've never been in a situation like this, you don't know if he is a felon or not, it's dark, and you have to make a life or death decision in a fraction of a second. if we'd read that two cops were killed by a nutter with a shotgun, we'd all be wondering why the cops waited so long. it's real easy to fire a shotgun thru a paperor flimsy plastic sack. if police are made to wait until they are 100% sure the guy is armed and firing at them, we'll be burying a lot of policemen. it's real easy for the armchair analyst to say afterwards that, well he wasn't a felon so they shouldn't have shot him. ain't so easy when you are on the front line, scared and the adrenalin is flowing. as an aside on it NOT being a shotgun, a table leg makes a very effective mace, he could just have easily brained someone with it, and might have intended doing so, why was he carrying a table leg in a sack anyway. why didn't the perpo put it down? questions i'm sure were answered over six years. still think six years is a bit much.

- maybe the one who called the cops was the one who was about to get his head bashed in.
 
No hard feelings - I'll say it again, I understand what you are trying to say.

No, I haven' been in such a situation - fortunately. I have been in a situation though were some innocent people almost got shot by some guy [a soldier on guard duty] who wanted to act tough. There are idiots on both sides as far as I'm concerned. Again, it was a stupid move for the guy to not follow orders - there goes Darwin.

But, aside from the fact what *could* be done with a table leg, is it really suspicous to carry on around? If he'd been carrying around scissors, would he have been armed as well?

In the end, I think it is a discssion without a solution - I'm just not happy the guy died, and I'm not happy those cops have to live with having killed him.

Keno
 
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