BRKT: Fit & Finish?

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Technically, this belonged in FEEDBACK right from the start, but I'd rather not move threads if they have any good working connection with the forum they're in, and Bark Rivers are typically wilderness and survival knives. And we have stayed largely on topic.
 
I disagree. The manufacturers reputation is whats at stake, it shouldnt matter where you buy their product from, they should know that every item that leaves their factory will find it's way into a customers hand (hopefully) and should take care of their problems right off the bat rather than making dealers or customers return sub par product. As for seconds, they should all be clearly marked as such.

Consider this:

You make a knife and ship it to a dealer. Then:

-it "falls off the truck" and is resold
-it is not cared for and stored properly
-it is sold, then returned, then sold again
-etc.

All I'm trying to say is that if you buy a knife from someone other than a reputable dealer, there is no way to know for sure that you are getting a "new" knife. There may even be knock-offs out there, who knows. Ebay has allowed any moron with a computer to become a "Power Seller" and give us a false sense of security. What if a shipment of knives was damaged in a flood, disposed of, found by one of these clowns, cleaned up, and sold to you as "new". It may be a longshot, but it's possible.

If you can walk into Bark River and find a whole bunch of knives that are in bad shape immediately after going through QC, then I will be ready to point fingers with you.
 
I have somewhere around 20 Bark River knifes, some that go back to the 2004 production schedule.

They all shaved hair and cleanly sliced paper out of the box, though a few had rough spots here and there on the edge.

With some stropping they all improved to scary sharp.

I must say that the convex edge may not feel a sharp to the finger as flat bevels, but don’t let that fool you or soon you’ll need a band-aid.

I have found fit and finish to be quite good, always acceptable but rarely perfect.

The only issue I had worth sending back for repair was a knife with pinless Big Horn Sheep scales.

One of the scales started to curl away from the tang behind the bolster.

They where able to save the beautiful scales, and added pins and red liners to the knife at no charge to me.

Many of my knives feature custom handle materials that I provided.

They all turned out perfectly.

For this custom work I was only charged the cost of a basic BCM handled knife even though the Stag, Bone, Horn and other materials had to be carefully worked to fit.

I am very happy with the fit and finish of the knives I have, and the performance of the blades is second to none.
 
Consider this:

You make a knife and ship it to a dealer. Then:

-it "falls off the truck" and is resold
-it is not cared for and stored properly
-it is sold, then returned, then sold again
-etc.

All I'm trying to say is that if you buy a knife from someone other than a reputable dealer, there is no way to know for sure that you are getting a "new" knife. There may even be knock-offs out there, who knows. Ebay has allowed any moron with a computer to become a "Power Seller" and give us a false sense of security. What if a shipment of knives was damaged in a flood, disposed of, found by one of these clowns, cleaned up, and sold to you as "new". It may be a longshot, but it's possible.

If you can walk into Bark River and find a whole bunch of knives that are in bad shape immediately after going through QC, then I will be ready to point fingers with you.

Thats what I'm leaning to. I dont think a single example of F/F issues brought up in this thread could be attributed to the examples you listed, except maybe the last, in which case it would most likely have been returned because of the same problems it shouldnt have had when leaving the factory
 
G'day abiggs

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Also, to you folks that are having issues with F&F, where are you buying your barkies? Are you buying them through reputable dealers (DLT, KSF) or are you buying them on Ebay or some other site that does not stock them? Where you buy ANYTHING makes a HUGE difference in the quality of material you receive.

Four of the knives came directly from the authorise Australian importer / distributor.

One I bought from the for sale section of another forum (which BTW was one of the 2 that had a very good and consistent edge).

Hope that helps explains where I got my 5 bark River knives from.



Kind regards
Mick
 
Thats what I'm leaning to. I dont think a single example of F/F issues brought up in this thread could be attributed to the examples you listed, except maybe the last, in which case it would most likely have been returned because of the same problems it shouldnt have had when leaving the factory

I don't think we're going to find a common ground, my man. :D

I will leave it at this...I just received a Fox River today in the mail. After checking it out and testing a bit in the back yard, I think I may be getting ready to sell all of my other 4"-5" blade knives. I don't see my self using anything but this Fox River ever again!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
i received a knife advertising dealer on another site...open the box & it had rust on the blade....

contacted mike stewert & the issue was dealt with...w/ both parties happy in the end


im pretty sure it didnt leave the factory this way


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I still have a few online. This was a first production run and was intended to be part of my collection.

Gap around blade, step between handle scales:
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Who needs a proper fit when you have glue:
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Uneven guard:
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Not only is the grind line not horizontal but there's deep scratching on the right as well:
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Suppose you can't expect too much for around $200

Apsilon, Been interested in looking at your pix again. The 2 Nebulas I have are very different from each other:The Green Linen has decent finish,no glue marks,equal scales and no VISIBLE join marks in a hidden tang knife.The Antique Ivory is another matter and it's woeful.One side of the scales is thicker than another,there's a CLEARLY visible join mark running the length of the knife both sides&the end of the handle is not well ground.I actually asked 'elsewhere' if BR ever sells off seconds,never was the answer,moreover there is no such thing as substandard Barkie,apparently,and if there were just send it in etc...So, if there is no selling of seconds and the like,it should not really matter where you buy your BRKT should it?(baring damage by water/fire) I've also noticed massive differences in the colour and appearance of the Antique Ivory, 3 knives I have in it are all un-alike,not at all similar.But I suppose micarta can be a very variable material? The same I've noticed with the Natural Canvas,bit odd but batches must be different perhaps,that too could be a QC issue.

Regards, W
 
I'm sorry - I have to chime back in. My first five Barkies, pictured in my first response, were bought from Christmas to New Year's last year - mostly on a great sale from DLT. I bought the least expensive variant of each model knife I could find - I wanted users. One - my '07 LE North Star - is the only fixed blade to 'get me' in recent memory. My CTS-riddled right hand's forefinger slipped over the blade, resulting in a minor paper cut type injury, healed within a few days. Still - my only Barkie with a negative thought - and it was my fault. I love them all.

My 'worst' BRK&T purchase was #6 - a bocote Boone. I reasoned that it was only a couple of dollars over natural Micarta... and was 'purdy'. Yep - too 'purdy' - it resides in a display stand in a display cabinet, like the other Barkies do - but they regularly go out! Gotta start using the Boone - it's a great handful.

My six have no obvious faults. Each was delivered as a hair popper, although I didn't believe it when that first one, my BCM Huntsman, first came out of the box. It didn't feel sharp, but cupt paper and shaved my forearm (My wife hates that!) like a razor. Also received that day was my Benchmade 201 Activator+ - the '+' must have been that I'd need to sharpen it before any use. I did notice a scratch mark on the underside of Huntsman's scales and tang a few days later - not having seen it when I opened the box, I assume it bumped the B-M's D2 blade. A scrap of 240/320/400/600/1500 SiC w/d paper - five minutes - and it was perfect. Some Semichrome polish, and it was 'purdy', too (Another five minutes - the polish was in my shop!).

I am sure a real totally hand made knife would be better... I guess I am more easily pleased. YMMV. Actually, I couldn't afford one that was totally custom made, my only custom knives coming from the Buck Custom Shop or in-person purchases from Greco, Vollmer, etc. The Barkies were the first convex blades that I 'enjoy', my Marbles, great cutters right out of the box, seemed to quickly grow more dull - and got even duller more quickly. That convex grind is deceptively sharp - and easily honed to maintain, too. The Barkies' tool steel keeps an edge longer, but without that protective oil, or my mineral oil, they come covered with, they'd rust quickly - especially in the humid South. The rust pattern shown here earlier was clearly from someone's sweaty fingers - probably looking it over in a store, or, maybe, it just missed the oil covering. I really feel it would have a lot more 'patina' in that case. Mr. Stewart's warranty is super, as shown there. I bought the styles I wanted, although there are a few more I would like, I am watching my pennies for now. I had to post something positive.

Stainz

PS The 'Sharpshooter' sheaths are nice - as is the Bosnian made one for the Boone. I'd say they are head and shoulders over any other 'supplied' sheath.
 
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I've owned two, and handled a few more. By far the worst production knives I have ever seen, regardless of brand or price. Uneven grinds and handle slabs, with a highly buffed finish that apparently blinds a lot of people, and proves you can indeed polish a turd.
I'd definitely handle before buying, or at least have online dealers inspect them before shipping.

Hopefully Stewart's latest escapade being made public will enlighten some of the noobs that don't know better, and tone down the incessant ass-kissing that seems to accompany any mention of his name, knives, or company.
Some of us find this phenomenon more than a little sickening, and a disservice to this community.
 
Hopefully Stewart's latest escapade being made public will enlighten some of the noobs that don't know better, and tone down the incessant ass-kissing that seems to accompany any mention of his name, knives, or company.


I believe this is not appropriate for the W&SS sub-forum. :thumbdn:

I find it a little sickening, and a disservice to the W&SS community.
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The 'Sharpshooter' sheaths are nice - as is the Bosnian made one for the Boone. I'd say they are head and shoulders over any other 'supplied' sheath.

I agree about the Sheaths. :thumbup:

In fact I find the newer Sharpshooter Sheaths to be first rate;

equal to, if not better then, the Custom Sheaths I have had made.


Reid’s new EEP Sheaths (Extreme Environment Protection) uses a process that virtually stops water and contaminants from penetrating the leather, stopping the stretching and drying/cracking that often happens after sheaths have been exposed to dunking or foul weather.

I have been very impressed by these sheaths. :cool:
 
Does anyone who is hell bent on ridiculing handle slab fit and finish realize that BRK&T now CNC machines all of their handles? Maybe realizing that the human eye while grinding the handles isn't going to quite satisfy a customer who expects more? Just food for thought.
 
I own 14 Bark Rivers.

Every single one has been first rate in fit and finish.

Several have been top custom quality.

All but one were hair popping sharp and a few minutes on the strop brought it to hair popping.

I agree with Big Mike on the sheaths.

BTW Owen... I don't kiss Mikes or anyones ass.
 
The Barkies' tool steel keeps an edge longer, but without that protective oil, or my mineral oil, they come covered with, they'd rust quickly - especially in the humid South.

Here's what to do: go to Wal-Mart or a gun shop (even a bait and tackle shop) and get a silicone cloth. Just wipe the blade down before putting it back. I live in FL, about 10 miles from the Atlantic, and am surrounded by swamps. It's oppressively humid here. I wipe all my blades down with the silicone cloth and I store them in their sheaths without a spot of rust on any of them.

ETA: I also like the Sharpshooter sheaths. Mine was a bit tight at first (which you want) and quickly became form-fitted to the knife and holds it very well.
 
Having read this thread, and the one GB&U, I've decided I'm still getting the green canvas Bravo-1 that I've been lusting after for a while.

Mike Stewart may very well be a huge jerk, but the knife industry, like everywhere else, is full of eaqually large sized sized jerks.
Lynn Thompson is quite rotund, regularly copies knife designs, and on occasion feasts on the hearts of young children. I still buy Cold Steel whitout hesitation.
Tim Leatherman is notoriously anti gun, and I despise people like that, and yet I still bought a Surge.

At the end of the day I buy things because I like them and don't really care about anything else.
What I'm saying is if you're happy with a knife just go out and enjoy using it.
 
Wow, what a week for BRKT. :eek:

I have bought no fewer than 10 new BRKT knives and for the price I think they are an excellent value. Are each and every one of them perfectly ground? No, but given what they cost they exceed my expectations every time I use them and hold them in my hands.

Earlier in the thread regarding the unsharpened area near the ricasso: I think you need to expect that to some degree on a knife without a sharpening notch. I prefer sharpening notches, but not all knives have 'em. Live and learn!
 
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