broke my sage tip today need advice

[FlaMtnBkr]

Well I have to disagree. It is not Spydercos fault that the tip broke. If you drop a knife with a thin tip made of hard stainless steel on a hard surface it is going to break or bend. That is the nature of the beast and it doesn't matter what company made it. If it was a low alloy carbon steel then maybe it wouldn't chip but would probably bend if it lands on a hard surface. Spydercos warranty is against manufacturing or material defects. They would have to charge twice as much for their knives if they replaced every knife that someone beat on and abused and it broke. You need to stop buying Spydercos and buy from one of the very few manufacturers who make sharpened pry bars and have a no question asked warranty.

I think it is absurd to think Spyderco should replace it and have a feeling I am part of a overwhelming majority who would feel the same way.

Have you ever seen how much damage can occur in a 5 mph front end collision on a newer car? Most people would say that a crash that slow should not do any damage yet usually they look terrible. Again, do you think the car manufacturer should fix it under warranty because you screwed up and hit something?

Edit: It is also extremely over priced? What other knife can you buy for $150 that is a titanium frame lock and a full flat grind S30V blade? It is a 1/3 the price of a Sebenza so I would hate to know what you think about those. Most of us want a nice hard blade with great edge retention and yet it isn't supposed to be damaged when it falls and if it does it is excessively brittle? What if he had stabbed the knife into a concrete wall? It's not all that different.

No it's not sarcasim at all!!! He
didn't
pry open a car
door
with his 100 + dollar knife !!! He accedently dropped it like we all have our blades!!! Now we havnt seen a pic yet, but if More then just the very splinter picken tip (first 1/16 of the tip) there is a problem with brittleness !!! I'm sorry but the first 1/8 of the tip of an extremely overpriced tiawanese knife should not snap off with a simple drop!! Ib droped knives hundreds of times with no issue !!!! Spyderco should fix it!!

 

[THE PUNISHER]

fix it your self,itz easy do you have any stones?

 

[softrockrenegade]

I don't know what you do for work bit in my
experience as a industrial / commercial construcion
wireman/electrician over the past decade I have used many expensive tools(knives included) and for one to break after it slips once is unexceptable for a tool that costs that much. If i'm at work and I drop my blade i don't want it breaking ... None of my other tools do nor do my knives !!! My point is not to Argue , but that the tool should be repaired by spyderco because of unabusive breakage!!(again I have not seen the extent of
damage but my reply is based on a
large amount of tip loss)

Well I have to disagree. It is not Spydercos fault that the tip broke. If you drop a knife with a thin tip made of hard stainless steel on a hard surface it is going to break or bend. That is the nature of the beast and it doesn't matter what company made it. If it was a low alloy carbon steel then maybe it wouldn't chip but would probably bend if it lands on a hard surface. Spydercos warranty is against manufacturing or material defects. They would have to charge twice as much for their knives if they replaced every knife that someone beat on and abused and it broke. You need to stop buying Spydercos and buy from one of the very few manufacturers who make sharpened pry bars and have a no question asked warranty.

I think it is absurd to think Spyderco should replace it and have a feeling I am part of a overwhelming majority who would feel the same way.

Have you ever seen how much damage can occur in a 5 mph front end collision on a newer car? Most people would say that a crash that slow should not do any damage yet usually they look terrible. Again, do you think the car manufacturer should fix it under warranty because you screwed up and hit something?

Edit: It is also extremely over priced? What other knife can you buy for $150 that is a titanium frame lock and a full flat grind S30V blade? It is a 1/3 the price of a Sebenza so I would hate to know what you think about those. Most of us want a nice hard blade with great edge retention and yet it isn't supposed to be damaged when it falls and if it does it is excessively brittle? What if he had stabbed the knife into a concrete wall? It's not all that different.

 

[Josh K]

Dropping a knife shouldn't break the tip, thats a pretty fragile knife!

Tip breakage in a fall could indicate excessively hard steel.

Blah. The Sage has a fine blade. If you drop it on the point I would expect it to break. No way that's Spyderco's fault.

 

[Josh K]

I don't know what you do for work bit in my
experience as a industrial / commercial construcion
wireman/electrician over the past decade I have used many expensive tools(knives included) and for one to break after it slips once is unexceptable for a tool that costs that much. If i'm at work and I drop my blade i don't want it breaking ... None of my other tools do nor do my knives !!! My point is not to Argue , but that the tool should be repaired by spyderco because of unabusive breakage!!(again I have not seen the extent of
damage but my reply is based on a
large amount of tip loss)

Buy an Endura or a Delica. Don't but a sports car expecting it to haul bricks.

 

[softrockrenegade]

Buy an Endura or a Delica. Don't but a sports car expecting it to haul bricks.

For sports car price it should perform at least as good as a delica or my para
which has see many drops In it's life!!

 

[rycen]

I think you expectations are a little bit unresonable.
The best thing you could do is send it in to spyderco and let them determine if maybe the blade exceeds their Rockwell range for that steel which could make it more brittle.

Would you expect a Sebenza which costs 4 times as much to be 4 times as durable?

 

[wongKI]

It performs better than both of them, hands down; and by "perform", I mean "cut".

Why? Because it's a thinner grind-same thickness as a Delica with a flat (as opposed to saber) grind, and thinner than a Para with identical grind and steel.

So, if it's a thinner grind, it stands to reason that the tip will be thinner too, thus less strong. If you define performance as standing up to significant abuse (expecting the knife to puncture tiles when it's not meant to, IMO, is abuse for me) then there's probably little better than the Delica, or even more so the Salts.

It is more expensive than the Para, but I think that most of that price comes in the Ti framelock; the Sage 1 costs about half the price, and it's CF.

 

[Josh K]

For sports car price it should perform at least as good as a delica or my para
which has see many drops In it's life!!

Right, just like you'd expect a Corvette to handle that rocky mountain road as well as your F-150?

Think about what you're saying before you post.

 

[THG]

and for one to break after it slips once is unexceptable for a tool that costs that much.

If I buy a $500 glass and drop it, should I expect it not to break because it was costs that much?

 

[TLR]

You need to remember WHAT he dropped it on as well. He mentioned that it was tile. Even concrete won't cause the damage that tile will. Ceramic material is so hard I'm not surprised at all that the fine tip on the sage was damaged.

I've worked a lot of jobs that required tools to be used hard and I don't think that this is unreasonable.

I have a Swamprat Chopweiler and a cf bg42 military. They were very close to the same price brand new. Now if I dropped the chopweiler and the tip broke I would be amazed. It has a super thick tip and is made of a tool steel with a decent amount of ductility. It is designed to receive shock and impacts. If I dropped my military with an extremely thin grind and a needle point tip and it's tip broke I wouldn't be surprised at all. It isn't designed to receive high impacts it is designed to penetrate and slice. My chopweiler can't slice as well as the military and my military can't take impact like the chopweiler. Both cost approximately the same price but are designed for different jobs and will react differently to a given situation.

Cost isn't a good indicator of how well a given object should react to specific circumstances, design is.

 

[Jason B.]

This is a perfect example of how false rumors get started.

@ softrock, you should educate yourself in real world performance of this steel because everything your saying shows that your making nothing but assumptions.

Furthermore, regardless of the steel tile will always win and for only a 1/16 to be damaged IMO is excellent performance.

To the OP, use a coarse stone and with a raised angle of around 45 degrees re-profile the whole edge, this will re-store the tip and keep your bevel/curve in proper form. Once the tip is back drop to your desired bevel angle and sharpen.

 

[wongKI]

You need to remember WHAT he dropped it on as well. He mentioned that it was tile. Even concrete won't cause the damage that tile will. Ceramic material is so hard I'm not surprised at all that the fine tip on the sage was damaged.

Really? That's good to know-dropped my Mili, tip-down, from waist height on concrete before, and I was lucky to receive no damage but a little chipping and a blunted tip. What'd a similar fall have done if it were on tile?

(On second thought, don't answer that-I don't want any more nice folders getting ruined )

 

[softrockrenegade]

Buy an Endura or a Delica. Don't but a sports car expecting it to haul bricks.

This is a perfect example of how false rumors get started.

@ softrock, you should educate yourself in real world performance of this steel because everything your saying shows that your making nothing but assumptions.

Furthermore, regardless of the steel tile will always win and for only a 1/16 to
be damaged IMO is excellent performance.

To the OP, use a coarse stone and with a raised angle of around 45 degrees re-profile the whole edge, this will re-store the tip and keep your bevel/curve in proper form. Once the tip is back drop to your desired bevel angle and sharpen.

ok well my bad then I didn't remember readig that it was only 1/16 of the tip! As I said before my post was based on a large amount of the tip breaking off!!
Sorry for not paying more attention to the op

 

[softrockrenegade]

This is a perfect example of how false rumors get started.

@ softrock, you should educate yourself in real world performance of this steel because everything your saying shows that your making nothing but assumptions.

My real world experience comes from everyday field use and for you to ASSUME that I haven't is just ignorant. I'm not a guy that looks at my knives in a display case or only cuts paper and apples but on a construction site !! Should I assume you work in an office and don't use your blades hard because
Because you have so many posts? Probably not, so you shouldn't assume I dont either.

 

[The Deacon]

This is a perfect example of how false rumors get started.

@ softrock, you should educate yourself in real world performance of this steel because everything your saying shows that your making nothing but assumptions.

My real world experience comes from everyday field use and for you to ASSUME that I haven't is just ignorant. I'm not a guy that looks at my knives in a display case or only cuts paper and apples but on a construction site !! Should I assume you work in an office and don't use your blades hard because
Because you have so many posts? Probably not, so you shouldn't assume I dont either.

So, in your real world experience, how many knives with acutely pointed CPM S30V blades have you dropped tip down on ceramic tile floors? If you dropped even one without damaging the tip, you were lucky and your experience was atypical.

Paul

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[softrockrenegade]

Forget it you win

 

[Liveitloud]

I dropped my Grip on the kitchen ceramic tile floor about a week after I got it. It landed grind side down and folded so bad it looked like the gutter on my roof. That tile is some tuff stuff

 

[wongKI]

Just wondering how M4 would stand up to that? I recently got a Gayle Bradley , and in some testing it rolled while I was trying to cut mild steel (I know, I know, abuse ) Its point is thicker than both the Sage and the Para, and it's made of tougher steel...but I'm not about to drop it on a ceramic tile just to satisfy my curiosity

(By the way, I did drop it on a rock at a slight angle. Waist height. Only damage was a slight edge rolling at the tip. )

 

[Jason B.]

I've worked in many of the trades myself and understand what a knife can go through in a day. I also do lots of testing everytime I get a new steel, I use items like romex, carpet, drywall, different types of rope, fiberglass, kevlar and carbon fiber when available, fermica (spelling?), cardboad, and about anything else I can cut up. I also repeat with several edge angles and finishes to find the "best" results.

Its through my testing and real world experiences that I have learned the limits of many steels and how they react with these materials... my 400x digital microscope also helps.

No, sorry I have never worked in a office.... I'm a very hands-on person. Thankyou, my high post count is from my willingness to help others and my time here... you have over 500 postings and joined in 09 so does this mean you work in a office? I ment no offence to you and I'm sorry you took it that way, some of us do specialize in the why's and why not's of such subjects to a extent that we see things the average user will never. Thus the reason I and others see what you say as atypical.