Brute Blade at Admiral Steel

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boban

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Dear Gentleman,
Would any of you be so kind to please let me know if you have a CAD drawing of Brute blade?
Admiral Steel is advertising that they can use their laser to cut a blade out of their steel by using a CAD drawing.
Also would any of you gentleman be so kind to please draw a blueprint and post it here so we can have a chance to make our own blade since we can not buy the original?
Maybe we can get together and get a better price from "Admiral Steel"
Thank you in advance.
Respectfully
Bob D.
 
If Ethan says it is OK, I will do it.

If not:
1. Buy a Brute
2. Buy AutoCAD.......................................... :D
 
Close to patent infringement, hell — it sounds like outright theft to me. If Ethan were to sell the design to someone — which I don't see happening — then that's one thing. To just rip him off because you want it and he doesn't feel like producing it right now, is an entirely different thing. You may want it —hell, we all want it — but Ethan Becker owns it: it's his to do with as he wishes.
 
I can see how this may seem wrong, but I thought that copying a design to simply make a knife for oneself is legal. I could be wrong though. As a side remark, I think Great Lakes Waterjet (who has a forum here) can make blanks for very reasonable prices. Back to the legality, I think it would just be courteous to wait for the "ok" from Ethan. As for copying a design and selling the knives one might make, that's just blatantly wrong.
 
Dishonorable, unethical and despicable are just some of the milder words that spring readily to mind. A design is the intellectual property of the designer. When someone designs something to sell, and you deprive them of that sale through theft of the design, that's pretty dirty in my book. If you want it, then convince Ethan to have it made again. Otherwise, do without. It's not yours, it's Ethan's. Period. End of story.

Have I expressed myself clearly enough?
 
I can see both side's of the fence here.

1. Mr. Becker came up with the style for the Brute and you can say its his IP, patented, copyrighted (whatever else you can think of) property.

2. This reminds me of something the boys at RAT said (this is not an exact quote)
"The knife is a tool that's been around for thousands of years and every style you ever see has been made by someone at some point."

And I think dl351 might be on to something...I vaguely remember something about personal vs commercial use.
 
There are similarities in knife designs, sure: they have a handle, and they have a blade. How those things are implemented, however, come from a designers mind: they are unique. I'm an illustrator and designer, and it's the uniqueness of my work that makes it salable and allows me to eat. Same thing with a knife designer. A rip off is a rip off is a rip off.
 
I'm not taking sides here...

Just playing the little guy with the pitchfork and tail.

I'm not a lawyer so take my advice for what its worth...FREE!!!!!!!
 
If I could buy it I would, but we all know that is almost close to impossible.
AutoCad costs over $10K and I need only one blade figure that out. For the issue of infringement of intellectual rights I am more than willing to pay for that too. Since this was manufactured as a product for many years, I would be more than willing to pay for whatever is the associated intellectual fee for one blade. I am not trying to rip off anybody here.... When you guys are so tough go and complain to Chinese who manufacture each and every blade that ever showed up on US market without any respect.
And last if I wanted to do harm I would not post it on public board and ask everybody to help....Go figure.
If I indeed stirred any body's feelings I apologize and still would like to acquire that damn blade.. (but not from China)
Respectfully
Bob D.
 
Just some more of my opinion here, but I'm pretty sure that personal (not made for sale) knife making of a copied design isn't illegal. If someone copied it and tried to pass it off as (for this instant) an original Becker, that may be illegal. Besides, the shape of the blade is about all that could be copied here. I doubt Boban will be making grivory grips and stamping "BK&T" on it. Again, legally, I don't see an issue with personal copying.

In good taste, I think it would be better for Ethan to give the ok, though.
 
I posted the same question about getting an izula cut out on the rat forum, and even Rat said that as long as I didnt sell it, it would be ok. I was also going to change a couple things about it.
 
All this is somewhat redundant............ :D
Comparable heat treat & grinding in my humble opinion are far larger hurdles.
You could scale up a catalog picture with a $99.00 CAD program & doodle your own toolpath for the laser cutter.
If you were just doing it out of respect & "Tribute" for one or two for yourself I doubt you would really upset anyone.
But the truth is that it would be waaaaaay cheaper to pay the going rate on ebay by the time you got one this way!
And of course the reality of whose is best, Ethan's or yours, should be considered.
Ethan has been building, testing & breaking them for decades.
You took your best guess at each critical decision :p
Right then, off to ebay you go!!
 
nc527 said:
I posted the same question about getting an izula cut out on the rat forum, and even Rat said that as long as I didnt sell it, it would be ok. I was also going to change a couple things about it.
Click to expand...

just buy a freaking forty -fifty dollar Izula and mod it like everyone else does ....if the need arises... but again you are only 13.. :D

Back to original question ,To me copying the design to a T is theft w/o Ethans written permisson ,I had a Recurve made by NWA to replace my BK1 it is not a copy nor does it share any likeness to the BK1 other than a large recurve made from 3/16th stock.
 
Dang, draw it up, change a couple things you would rather have over the stock issue, and build it. If you make it about 20% different it's legal to even sell commercially. This figure could be wrong but check it out yourself at the pat office.
 
Heck where I live the association says noone can build the same house on the entire block. The next door neighbor built the same house with the floorplan flipped and two small changes (to a 650k house) no complaints were filed by us knives are knives. Change a couple things improve it and you should be fine...
 
Mr. Becker sold or otherwise assigned the rights to his line of knives to Camillus, KaBar bought the rights from the bankruptcy courts. Mr. Becker CANNOT give anybody permission to create a Becker Brute, even if he wanted to - he doesn't own the rights. I don't know about royalties for producing the knife, but the rights aren't his anymore.

I did a patent and copyright and trademark search, and I couldn't find any listed for the Becker Brute or a design by Ethan Becker. Maybe someone else could work with that retarded us goverment search engine better than me though.
 
OK Gentleman, the can of worms is open now. What do we do next? Who has a decent idea on how to find a royalty owner? Or should I just grind the damn blade little bit different? Also let’s keep in mind that blade geometry is one of the main features of this knife. As previously mentioned I could change 20% or some more the knife looks but again it would not be a brute but some type of modified kukri. What do you suggest now?
:confused:
 
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