Buck 110 Factory Problem

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Hoorenbeek

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Hi guys. Im not sure if this is the proper forum to post this; if not, pls, let me know and I will move it to the one you recommend.

Anyway, In the last couple of months I bought 3 Buck 110 as gifts.
Is a classic, american made... we know all about Buck 110.

BUT. And yes, this is a big BUT.
I noticed the 3 knives are not Buck top quality.
I own a 1971 Buck 110 and over the years I handled many 110, so, about these 3 last ones I bought:

2 of them has this "bad" union between the spine of the blade and the lockback (see image)
http://www.ikonzept.com.ar/images/Fit.jpg
Its not smooth, you can see a "big" gap between the spine and the lockback. Its not very nice.

The other one has this play when its folded.. I mean the blade feels loose; you can move it with your finger -without applying too much pressure- until the blade touches the brass side and then move it to touch the other side with no effort whatsoever.

And the 3 of them came straight from the factory with this rough edge on the clip false edge... And Im talking rough. You can see the marks of the machine, and when you swipe your finger over it you feel that is not smooth at all.
http://www.ikonzept.com.ar/images/clip.jpg

Is this only my experience on my last Buck purchases? What do you think?
 
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Hi guys. Im not sure if this is the proper forum to post this; if not, pls, let me know and I will move it to the one you recommend.

Anyway, In the last couple of months I bought 3 Buck 110 as gifts.
Is a classic, american made... we know all about Buck 110.

BUT. And yes, this is a big BUT.
I noticed the 3 knives are not Buck top quality.
I own a 1971 Buck 110 and over the years I handled many 110, so, about these 3 last ones I bought:

2 of them has this "bad" union between the spine of the blade and the lockback (see image)
http://www.ikonzept.com.ar/images/Fit.jpg
Its not smooth, you can see a "big" gap between the spine and the lockback. Its not very nice.

The other one has this play when its folded.. I mean the blade feels loose; you can move it with your finger -without applying too much pressure- until the blade touches the brass side and then move it to touch the other side with no effort whatsoever.

And the 3 of them came straight from the factory with this rough edge on the clip false edge... And Im talking rough. You can see the marks of the machine, and when you swipe your finger over it you feel that is not smooth at all.
http://www.ikonzept.com.ar/images/clip.jpg

Is this only my experience on my last Buck purchases? What do you think?
And please dont get me wrong. I LOVE Buck knives. They are always my first choice for me and for my beloved ones (that is why I purchased these last 3 ones) but I really want to know what is going on.
 
Do any of the issues effect the normal use/function of the knife? I mean we're talking about a production knife that sells for under $40. As with any knife I would suggest examining them at the point of sale and or returning them to where ever you bought them or to Buck for repair or replacement.
 
To be honest, no, any of these issues affect the normal function of the knife. I bought them as gifts, so I dont have them anymore... But that´s not my point. I know that is a "cheap" knife. But also this is a knife with a lot of history. This an american classic, made in America.
And I want a better quality control. If this is happening to everybody who buys a Buck 110, the icon will be gone.
Im not sure if you get what Im trying to say here....
You can use the knife? Yes
But I expect more from Buck. And if they need to charge you $80 for a GOOD 110, so be it.
 
I sell buck knives in my store and I have them do all of my heat treating work for my custom knives since 1998.
If you are not happy?
List your grievances and send them to Buck knives. I am sure they will cheerfully fix or replace them.
 
I get what you're saying I just don't understand why you're saying it? If a knife is perfectly useable at $40 why would you pay twice that price to eliminate what are mostly cosmetic issues? Very few of the Bucks I have, around 150 of various models have any issues at all so what you are reporting is not what I would call major issue with all production. If you bought them as gifts and found them unacceptable to your standards why did you go ahead and give them as gifts? I see posts where someone is complaining that the wood scales don't match perfectly from one side to the other or that they don't like the click the blade makes as it locks. Said it doesn't sound like a solid click. Come on, the sound is off!!!

My honest opinion is that most times Buck, like every other manufacturer gets it right. Some times, again like every other manufacturer out there, they don't. Overall I'm happy with every new Buck I've bought so not sure what else to tell you?
 
I dont live in the US, so its not easy for me to send them back.
And again. still is a great knife, but I dont like when a classic icon starts lowering its quality.
I just dont like it.
Its not right. But maybe its just me... You build a reputation based on a lot of little details. If those details are gone...
On the other hand, and maybe I didnt express myself right (sorry about that, but english is not my native tongue), I was just asking if this is happening iwth all the new Buck 110 or it was just bad luck on my last purchases.
 
You're disappointed and there isn't much that anyone is going to say that will fix that for you right now. You paid money and you feel you didn't get a top notch product and you have every right to that feeling, it's your money. That said, I think Badhammer touched on it already but you bought a $40 production knife, there will not be perfection for that amount. Of the issues you stated none will effect the usability of any of the knives, and these knives are made to be users. Had you bought a custom shop 110 and had one of these issues, I'd say you have a problem that warrants frustration and disappointment, the price point on those warrant a finer fit and finish. I think what you gave as gifts were exactly what they were meant to be, dependable, solid and well built user knives that someone can take out of their pocket or sheath and cut what they are trying to cut all at a reasonable working mans price. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but I refuse to get to hung up on minor fit and finish details of knives that cost less to buy than what it cost to fill up the tank of gas in my car. All the best bro, Trevor~
 
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Badhammer said:
I get what you're saying I just don't understand why you're saying it? If a knife is perfectly useable at $40 why would you pay twice that price to eliminate what are mostly cosmetic issues? Very few of the Bucks I have, around 150 of various models have any issues at all so what you are reporting is not what I would call major issue with all production. If you bought them as gifts and found them unacceptable to your standards why did you go ahead and give them as gifts? I see posts where someone is complaining that the wood scales don't match perfectly from one side to the other or that they don't like the click the blade makes as it locks. Said it doesn't sound like a solid click. Come on, the sound is off!!!

My honest opinion is that most times Buck, like every other manufacturer gets it right. Some times, again like every other manufacturer out there, they don't. Overall I'm happy with every new Buck I've bought so not sure what else to tell you?
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What's your problem mate? The guy is not happy with the crap fit and finish, like many others were not (including myself). Who gives a fudge what it costs!? It's not some cheap bit of tat he bought from a Turk' at a flea market, it's a renowmed and iconinc knife that simply is not what alot of us expect from such a big name!

I gave up my Buck 110 hunt after 3 attempts. And I can assure you once that $40 knife leaves your country and is sold to the rest of the world it's more like $100. Something that I still dearly wanted in my collection, but had to accept they were not up to the rest of the worlds standards. Infact, plenty of members here are honest enought to accept they are crap compared to what they once were.

And tell me, if a $10 opinel can get it right, why can't something that's been around fooking decades and costs 4 times more do the same?

@ Hoorenbeek,

Dude if you would like a refund try to get it sooner than later. And if you want to replace the knives for a simular style folder then looks at brands like Puma and even Rough rider! atb
 
trevytrev said:
You're disappointed and there isn't much that anyone is going to say that will fix that for you right now. You paid money and you feel you didn't get a top notch product and you have every right to that feeling, it's your money. That said, I think Badhammer touched on it already but you bought a $40 production knife, there will not be perfection for that amount. Of the issues you stated none will effect the usability of any of the knives, and these knives are made to be users. Had you bought a custom shop 110 and had one of these issues, I'd say you have a problem that warrants frustration and disappointment, the price point on those warrant a finer fit and finish. I think what you gave as gifts were exactly what they were meant to be, dependable, solid and well built user knives that someone can take out of their pocket or sheath and cut what they are trying to cut all at a reasonable working mans price. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but I refuse to get to hung up on minor fit and finish details of knives that cost less to buy then what it cost to fill up the tank of gas in my car. All the best bro, Trevor~
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Everyone should be happy with everything they spend their money on BUT no one is perfect all the time, if ever. Yesterday I found that I had made a spelling error in a memo at work. Does that make me illiterate or did I just make a mistake? Same with Buck. The problem the OP apparently didn't contact Buck either to let them know of the quality slip or allow them the opportunity to make things right. ,
 
Samon said:
What's your problem mate? The guy is not happy with the crap fit and finish, like many others were not (including myself). Who gives a fudge what it costs!? It's not some cheap bit of tat he bought from a Turk' at a flea market, it's a renowmed and iconinc knife that simply is not what alot of us expect from such a big name!

I gave up my Buck 110 hunt after 3 attempts. And I can assure you once that $40 knife leaves your country and is sold to the rest of the world it's more like $100. Something that I still dearly wanted in my collection, but had to accept they were not up to the rest of the worlds standards. Infact, plenty of members here are honest enought to accept they are crap compared to what they once were.

And tell me, if a $10 opinel can get it right, why can't something that's been around fooking decades and costs 4 times more do the same?

@ Hoorenbeek,

Dude if you would like a refund try to get it sooner than later. And if you want to replace the knives for a simular style folder then looks at brands like Puma and even Rough rider! atb
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Don't see that I have a problem. Like yourself I have an opinion and voiced it which is what the OP asked for. The topic of the thread isn't what I said or you said but rather the OP's question about Buck quality or lack of.
 
I didnt want to start a fight here, and all of you are right at some point.
But, keep this in mind. At the Custom Knife shop, a Buck 110, S30V blade, brass bolster, oak handle and tan leather sheath, costs $91.
The regular Buck 110 at buckknives.com, costs $ 69, so I dont see a big difference to support the theory than CKS knives WILL BE better quality.
 
Badhammer said:
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Everyone should be happy with everything they spend their money on BUT no one is perfect all the time, if ever. Yesterday I found that I had made a spelling error in a memo at work. Does that make me illiterate or did I just make a mistake? Same with Buck. The problem the OP apparently didn't contact Buck either to let them know of the quality slip or allow them the opportunity to make things right. ,
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Of course they can make a mistake. I have a some Buck knives and they are great. But in this case, in this particular case, Im talking about 3 Buck 110 I purchased over the past couple of months and they ALL have these problems. Not one. The three of them have at least 2 minor issues each.
 
Badhammer said:
Don't see that I have a problem. Like yourself I have an opinion and voiced it which is what the OP asked for. The topic of the thread isn't what I said or you said but rather the OP's question about Buck quality or lack of.
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Your opinion comes across as very defensive and almost like denile. Open those eyes man, the 110 models aren't very good and $40 is alot of money for a bad knife. The more people who loudly, and publicly speak out against shoddy craftmanship the better. And tones like yours don't help the situation, imo it looked as if you were badgering the poor guy to consider that he may have got 'unlucky' or something. The only bad luck he had was the same as I and many others had and that's not having enough honest people spreading the word.



Hoorenbeek said:
I didnt want to start a fight here, and all of you are right at some point.
But, keep this in mind. At the Custom Knife shop, a Buck 110, S30V blade, brass bolster, oak handle and tan leather sheath, costs $91.
The regular Buck 110 at buckknives.com, costs $ 69, so I dont see a big difference to support the theory than CKS knives WILL BE better quality.
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I have heard even the 'custom' ones are as weak as the standard models. Especially once used the blade play and gaps relly start to grow.

Incase noone looked into the thread I linked regarding my own experience here are some pictures of the 'custom assembly' sent to me by the guys at buck to replace the knackered ones that were only days/weeks old.






I don't dislike Buck. Or the mjaority of their products. But I am honest when it comes to anything faulty or badly made. And the 110 is pretty bad, regardless of the cost.
 
Once again everyone is entitled to an opinion but as I said before the topic of this thread isn't my opinion regardless of what you may think of it so please don't keep telling me what I should do or say or think. I'm not the topic of discussion.
 
I bought a 2013 fingergroove 110 earlier this year.
"Sight unseen" from the internet store named after that big river.
It was a great price.
That knife is as solid as a 10 ton boulder!
No play in the blade whatsoever.
Lockup is as tight as it could possibly be.
Fit and finish are top notch too.
Certainly as solid and well built as the early 80's 110 that bought new, and carried for many years

My advice, for what it is worth, is to maybe take a look at a fingergroove 110.
 
Being a Buck knife collector and forum member who became a moderator later in life, I have had to read more stuff than I may know lots about. This is one of those threads. And guess what, there is no moderator school, one day your normal and the next your red. I try to leave everything alone as much as possible as long as everyone is decent and there is no cussing. In this threads case I will give an opinion. A Buck knife owner has the right to come here and discuss knives that are good or bad, even just gripe a little.. No Buck knife is holy. As long as you guys talk about the knives and be real careful not to attack the person and only argue over the data you can discuss stuff till the cows come home. We Buck nuts just can't believe that a Buck knife is made poorly. But sadly there are times, I have even received a substandard knife. I did so by ordering over the internet and it was a newly introduced model. These knives assembly were tightened to what we want Buck quality to be pretty soon after that. I showed photos and discussed it on this forum. Its too bad the OP lives in a spot that knife business is difficult because I recommend buying at stores looking at several examples and choosing the best. Folks outside the USA also have a more difficult time in sending in knives for warranty work. I don't like the rolled edge of the blade base in the above photo. If I was in a store it would have been boxed and handed back.

So discuss away, everyone is welcome even if they don't like Bucks, I don't like Bokers but don't intend to go somewhere and say so. Sometimes folks come around just looking to cause trouble. I checked on everyone's background in the thread that I didn't know and all seems in order. Speak as gentlemen, use photos, examples and facts and discuss the problems not the persons. And the world will keep turning and sunsets will be red.

300Bucks, Your friendly* Moderator
 
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I like to handle a knife before I buy it so I can check for fit and finish. The 110 in your pix does seem a little sloppy, though still functional. They're available at various outlets such as Walmart for around $40 or even less from time to time, a great price IMHO for a working knife. Chuck Buck told me that the 110 is really a $60+ knife, though it is often sold as a loss leader. I suspect that the runs Buck does for Cabella`s (S30V) and BassPro (CMP154) may have better fit and finish. Too bad you couldn`t return the knives to Buck; they have one of the best warranties you can find.
 
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