Buck 110 Vs. Sog hunter revolver (continuation)

Is it just me or are you all not quite understanding Fonly? I believe when he said it's as strong as a fixed blade he was talking about the Revolver not the Buck.
The Revolver is not a Folder so in theory it should be as strong as any other comparable fixed blade !!!!
 
pitdog said:
Is it just me or are you all not quite understanding Fonly? I believe when he said it's as strong as a fixed blade he was talking about the Revolver not the Buck.
The Revolver is not a Folder so in theory it should be as strong as any other comparable fixed blade !!!!
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I understand. And I like the test. My point is this..... no matter lockback, or SOG Revolver, if the blade pivots, it has a week spot. That would be whatever locks the blade in place.

I'm on the side of lockbacks by the way. For 95% of what I do on the outdoors, a lockback (hell a slip joint) would be just fine. Again his test was sound, but I didn't agree with this:

... It is as strong as a fixed blade.
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No matter what knife he was talking about.... both are lockbacks, or pivot at some point.

Still.... great post Fonly.... enjoyed the pics:thumbup:
 
Remember our old wood handled butcher or steak knives ? Remember what holds the wood handles on are usually copper, brass or stainless pins.......usually 2 pins, one in front (pivot ?) and one in back (lock ?).

The steel that is sandwiched between the wood handles is all one piece. Now remove the "rear" pin in and the blade will pivot all the way around.

If you drilled a hole in the "front part of the blade" that is now pivoted to the rear, in the exact spot the rear pin was removed you would have something similar to a Revolver knife.

What gives the Revolver it's strength is that solid one piece of steel that is held almost the exact same way as the butcher knife.

Honestly, I don't think I ever saw a butcher knife break in the handle/pin area.

There is no "weaker" spot along the entire length of steel because there is no separation in the steel.

The Revolver is not a "lock back" knife because it does not have a separation in the blade where a "lock bar" has to engage it.


Robbie Roberson ;)
 
Interesting points about folders and the revolver, gents.

Not to be a jerk, but I'm still with tarmix101... you're going to have a real hard time convincing me two pieces are stronger than one, regardless how they're joined. (dovetailed hardwood or pattern-welded steel is a DIFFERENT discussion :))On the Revolver, it... well... revolves on a pin, yes? This is basically the same weak point as the pin on a Buck, IMHO. You're relying on the pin itself, it doesn't mater how strong the blade is. Any chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Once again, I think both designs, and Fonly's tests, are completely valid. Just picking nits as it were!

Fonly, we'll be looking forward to that mid-length knife comparison!
 
Please don't think I am trying to pick fault here after all I seem to be turning into a mild mannered tree hugging hippy by the day....but with the SOG Revolver there is no weak point,yes there is a pivot pin for the handle but even if the handle were to come off you would still be left with a blade and tang albeit the tang has serrations because it is a saw blade! This could still be wrapped in Para cord or leather etc though in a survival situation just the same as any other fixed blade !!!
 
pitdog said:
Please don't think I am trying to pick fault here after all I seem to be turning into a mild mannered tree hugging hippy by the day....but with the SOG Revolver there is no weak point,yes there is a pivot pin for the handle but even if the handle were to come off you would still be left with a blade and tang albeit the tang has serrations because it is a saw blade! This could still be wrapped in Para cord or leather etc though in a survival situation just the same as any other fixed blade !!!
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Yeah, thats just it. Its alittle hard to explain, but in no way will the blade fail. The only thing that could would be the middle pin, and even if it did, it would still stop due to the pin in the bottom of the handle. I remember Robbie telling me about taking the pin out just to simulate this, he just made a pin from wood, and kept using the knife, kinda neat. The main reason why it doesnt class as a folder is because it isn't, it only rotates, its still one main fixedblade, just can be rotated around, and even if the middle pin fails (which would be very unlikly and hard to do) that bottom one would still keep it from moving anymore.

But just so this is out there, Im not trying to waver anyones thoughts on the knife, just to let it be out there that the knife is alot strong than you think (give it a bit of credit guys :o:) )
 
I humbly submit that you are correct, pitdog :) That is a fundamental difference in the two designs. Although the pin could fail as I said, with the revolver you would still have a usable knife. It just took me a while to see it...

In my own defense, I plead Viking blood... you know what they say, "you can always tell a Norwegian... but you can't tell him much!" :o
 
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