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When the Buck website has them back in stock, I was thinking about picking up either a Buck 112 Auto or Auto Elite. For those that have them, what are your thoughts so far?
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Buck 112 Auto and Auto Elite - Thoughts?
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They're both great. Good snap, tight lockup...
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I have the 112 elite and am very happy with it.Great size good feel and the auto really pops. WB
My opinion is not meant to discourage anyone from purchasing a Buck auto nor to cast a disparaging light on either buyer or Buck, just my thoughts as you asked.
I bought a 110 auto last year and really like it but I will likely not buy another. I probably wouldn't have bought this one if I had learned then what I know now. If at any point it needs servicing for any reason and you send it to Buck, you will never see it again. Due to regulations concerning auto knives shipped out of state being illegal Buck cannot ship it back to you unless your are active duty law enforcement or something of the like.
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I bought a 110 auto last year and really like it but I will likely not buy another. I probably wouldn't have bought this one if I had learned then what I know now. If at any point it needs servicing for any reason and you send it to Buck, you will never see it again. Due to regulations concerning auto knives shipped out of state being illegal Buck cannot ship it back to you unless your are active duty law enforcement or something of the like.
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They are actively fighting that in Congress as we speak...
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a dealer in your state can send it in for you for a fee legally. buck can ship it back to the dealer legally. they have dealers, I believe, in every state. there is almost always a legal way around nonsense.
That's what I do when my Benchmade auto needs repair. Even though I bought it at a gun show, my local Benchmade authorized dealer will ship it back for repair for $20.
It doesn't open in one's pocket. i tested it. If you attempt to open it with your thumb flat on the button, it is quite difficult to open it. Only if you use the tip of your thumb will it open. It's quite ingenious.So, unless there is something like the tip of your thumb to open it, not just something laying flat against the button, it's safe!
You need to enclose a note, and put the extra postage on the package for enclosing a letter, that you are active military acting in an official capacity, in the normal course of your duties, in obtaining service for the knife. You should type the letter on some thinly veiled, quasi-authentic-looking military letterhead that you make up on a PC, and sign it by typing your name, no actual signature, with some rank beneath your name followed by: USCG, USAF, one of the armed forces, in the abbreviated form. National Guard won't work, but Coast Guard will.
After everything else, type any three letters that could be someone's initials, undercase, such as bto, followed by a colon, and your initials, qro:tsk, just like that. It should go at least several lines beneath your rank. Don't overdo it. Just a brief, terse, official-sounding note.The last part is the typist's initials, as witness to the letter, ':' you initials as the signer of the letter.
The other thing you can do is make yourself a knife dealer. You don't need to be an official dealer for the brand of knife. You need to a bona fide knife dealer, which can mean different things. You just need to enclose with the knife a note that you are a bona fide knife dealer, make it on a self-made letterhead with some good knife-shop name, like <your name> Knifesmith.
They aren't interested in keeping your knife. It is not illegal for individuals to ship switchblades wherever they want, only manufacturers and dealers. A real knife shop would know that, and also that you need to put 'I am a bona fide knifesmith/dealer'. Then just use your regular street address as the return address, with the name of your knife business before it. If you can't make your own letterhead, because you can't type, or don't have a computer, ask your sister, girlfriend, daughter, mothet to do it for you.
Nothing I have mentioned is illegal unless you do it to gain something of value, or some advantage over others! But if you just want you knife repaired,, and you're not trying to get out of paying for it, it's perfectly acceptable. The feds did the same thing with locksmith tools. Anyone who knew what was up at all had no problem obtaining locksmith tools, and still doesn't, because Amazon is loaded with them, and switchblades too. So is eBay. The sellers just need to say spring assisted instead of switchblade.
If they are spring assisted, and don't open all the way on the spring force, you just soak them in some grease or oil solvent for a few minutes, let 'em dry, oil 'em back up with lightweight (any normal oil or spray lube) lube, and chances are the spring will then open the blade like a switchblade!
You didn[t hear this stuff from me, and don't use both methods, i.e. say you're a knife dealer 'and' active military! That would insure failure!
Good luck!
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Good luck with that!
Safety is being proactive.
You're claim is short sighted.
Just think what could happen if it did open.
Anybody that has EVER had a knife come open inadvertently would agree.
And in your pocket is about the worst place for that to happen.
It's NOT safe, and it's foolish to think so, or claim it is.
J J Hubbard may have some insight on the safety of carrying a 112/110 auto in your pocket.
Thanks.
Lol.
Good luck with that!
Safety is being proactive.
You're claim is short sighted.
Just think what could happen if it did open.
Anybody that has EVER had a knife come open inadvertently would agree.
And in your pocket is about the worst place for that to happen.
It's NOT safe, and it's foolish to think so, or claim it is.
J J Hubbard may have some insight on the safety of carrying a 112/110 auto in your pocket.
Thanks.
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My 112 auto opened in my pocket when I pressed my leg against a wheelbarrow. Fortunately, I suffered no damage, but it was mighty close to my Spielteile.
In my professional judgement the probability of accidentally opening a Buck 110/112 Auto in one's pocket is less than the probability that a safety would fail and the blade deploy on an auto that is very hazardous without its safety
However, that is for typical situations, where probability is random. High risk activities in which the body is used atypically, such as rock climbing or gymnastics, could change the probability significantly. But I tried to deploy the blade inside my pocket--with it pointed in a safe orientation--from outside the pocket, and I couldn't do it!
Truth be told, I would not recommend carry of any auto in a pants pocket, since the safeties are not foolproof, and it only takes once to do some real damage. Holsters are much safer in general, and easier to get to when needed!
I only have 4 unique autos, but I have numerous examples of each. If I've learned one thing being an engineer:it's that you can't reduce the probability of failure to zero. Even nuclear power plants have a nonzero probability of failure! In retrospect, perhaps it was reckless of me to state what I stated without adding precautions.
However, that is for typical situations, where probability is random. High risk activities in which the body is used atypically, such as rock climbing or gymnastics, could change the probability significantly. But I tried to deploy the blade inside my pocket--with it pointed in a safe orientation--from outside the pocket, and I couldn't do it!
Truth be told, I would not recommend carry of any auto in a pants pocket, since the safeties are not foolproof, and it only takes once to do some real damage. Holsters are much safer in general, and easier to get to when needed!
I only have 4 unique autos, but I have numerous examples of each. If I've learned one thing being an engineer:it's that you can't reduce the probability of failure to zero. Even nuclear power plants have a nonzero probability of failure! In retrospect, perhaps it was reckless of me to state what I stated without adding precautions.
Buck says to use the sheath, it’s not designed for pocket carry, per their “engineers,”
Then we should all do that. Did you know all battery manufacturers recommend storing batteries at room temperature? What does that have to do with anything?
Manufacturers make recommendations based on their own best interests. If you try to pin them down, they will always recommend what's best for themselves, without regard to their clientelle.
Batteries last almost interminably in a freezer, and go bad soonest the warmer the environment! But they must know what's best for everyone! And companies are nice? They don't want to trick people into believing one thing and not the other.
Granted, there's a lot more at stake with an auto in a front pocket! But the whole idea of proving a point, because 'it's what the manufacturer says', is flawed!
Is it really the 'best' way to change a faucet washer to put on work gloves, eye protection, steel-toe boots, an acid-gas filtering respirator, and even after all that, to 'use extra caution to avoid personal injury and/or death?'
No, it's not! Then why does the manufacturer recommend it? Because one time a guy left the water on and disassembled a faucet valve! But the drain was also plugged up, so there was sitting water on the basin. When the faucet valve was taken apart to replace the washer, the water pressure caused it to burst open, which caused the sitting water full of acidic drain cleaner to go in the guy's eyes, and in his mouth, so he breathed it in, and went blind and got permanenly lung damage from it!
So, the faucet-washer company said, "We better warn everyone, so this doesn't happen again!" Plus, the guy was awarded 160 million dollars in a lawsuit. So, they put their heads together and came up with a list of precautions suitable to the task.
So, saying 'the manufacturer says so' is not evidence by itself that it is reasonable or correct. But I do happen to agree with you, anyway. I don't carry autos inside my pocket!
Manufacturers make recommendations based on their own best interests. If you try to pin them down, they will always recommend what's best for themselves, without regard to their clientelle.
Batteries last almost interminably in a freezer, and go bad soonest the warmer the environment! But they must know what's best for everyone! And companies are nice? They don't want to trick people into believing one thing and not the other.
Granted, there's a lot more at stake with an auto in a front pocket! But the whole idea of proving a point, because 'it's what the manufacturer says', is flawed!
Is it really the 'best' way to change a faucet washer to put on work gloves, eye protection, steel-toe boots, an acid-gas filtering respirator, and even after all that, to 'use extra caution to avoid personal injury and/or death?'
No, it's not! Then why does the manufacturer recommend it? Because one time a guy left the water on and disassembled a faucet valve! But the drain was also plugged up, so there was sitting water on the basin. When the faucet valve was taken apart to replace the washer, the water pressure caused it to burst open, which caused the sitting water full of acidic drain cleaner to go in the guy's eyes, and in his mouth, so he breathed it in, and went blind and got permanenly lung damage from it!
So, the faucet-washer company said, "We better warn everyone, so this doesn't happen again!" Plus, the guy was awarded 160 million dollars in a lawsuit. So, they put their heads together and came up with a list of precautions suitable to the task.
So, saying 'the manufacturer says so' is not evidence by itself that it is reasonable or correct. But I do happen to agree with you, anyway. I don't carry autos inside my pocket!
