Buck/Camillus 300 Series

@bertl: Thanks for the great info.

TAH TAH I think the origin stories of knife companies matters a lot. Camillus was one of a huge number of (primarily) slip joint manufacturers from the 1800s that were based in New York and to a lesser extent in MA, RI and PA. Peers include New York Knife, Imperial, Schrade and Case to name a very few. Case still survives and Camillus outlasted Schrade. GEC keeps the flame alive.

Buck started in Kansas and then moved to CA and started its life with fixed blades. I think of Western and Marbles as peers - midwestern in origin and primarily about fixed blades. For this reason, think Bucks 100 series fixed blades as the core of Buck's identity even in ways that our beloved 110 is not.

Expansion of product lines and outsourcing of production have been common themes US manufacturing across the board and Buck is alive while neither Western nor Marbles are. (The Marbles name is just a marketing name like current Camillus and Schrade are - nothing to do really with the original production). So, I'm not going to fault Buck for expanding their offerings by outsourcing knives to first Schrade and then to Camillus. As others have noted, it was pretty common for manufacturers to make things that would be rebranded. Many guns and knives were sold under the Craftsman label that weren't made by Sears.

I have a nice condition Camillus made 301 in my roll and when I regard it, I consider it to be a Camillus first and foremost. There's an old sort of rough Camillus r us collectors web site where you can find old Camillus and Schrade catalogs. I think they're great reads and reading about the boom and bust of the east coast slip joint makers is worthwhile I think.
 
So, I'm not going to fault Buck for expanding their offerings by outsourcing knives to first Schrade and then to Camillus. As others have noted, it was pretty common for manufacturers to make things that would be rebranded.

I wasn't faulting them either. ;)
 
I am always taken aback why folks don't use the forum search function more. 300

Your excellent tutorial on the 300 Series, which I have read before, is more focused on history and didn't answer my specific questions on if Buck was able to specify individual features (see original post). Plus, by starting a new thread, the discussion took another turn, which led to bertl's #12 post on springs and blade orientation, as well as additional discussion and photos from new members. The search function rocks, but this time I couldn't find my answers. :)
 
I am always taken aback why folks don't use the forum search function more. 300

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/300-series-history-1966-to-1990.752697/

The problem with key word based search functions is that experts who have already seen (or written) entries have an easier time finding things than non-experts do, particularly when they don't know that a particular entry already exists.

In the original thread, Matt recommended making your original post into a sticky and I think that is an excellent idea.
 
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Very nice read. So question, what is the big difference between a 301/371 or a 303/373. Apart from steel quality, and USA made? Oh and price and collectability?
 
Very nice read. So question, what is the big difference between a 301/371 or a 303/373. Apart from steel quality, and USA made? Oh and price and collectability?
The bolsters on my 371's are thicker than on my 301's.
I don't have a 303, but I did get a 373 to see if I liked the size. ( :thumbsdown: ) I don't know if the 303 has thin bolsters or not.
 
Very nice read. So question, what is the big difference between a 301/371 or a 303/373. Apart from steel quality, and USA made? Oh and price and collectability?

My lever gun is a Winchester 94 chambered in 32 Winchester Special that dates back to 1907. My great grandfather purchased it for my grandfather, who taught me to hunt and then passed the gun on to me. It's a fun gun to hunt with and to reload for.

By most accounts, the current 94s that are being made in Japan are of a higher build quality than some of the last US-made 94s. But quality aside, something deep inside of me cries at the thought of the great American lever gun being made somewhere else. Know what I mean?

I feel the same way about traditional knives. An SAK make anywhere other Switzerland isn't really an SAK. And a stockman made in China or even Germany for that matter, doesn't feel like a stockman to me. Seems like a trinket - a knock off. Build quality has nothing to do with it.

Back in the day, Imperial made some really cheap knives and the fact that you can find survivors now that are well worn doesn't make them good knives. I have a few older Ulster BSA knives that were cheaply made in the 60s and 70s and they're still nothing to get excited about. A definite step down from some of the knives made by Camillus or Schrade in their day or even from Case.

Buck's imported slip joints make me doubly sad. Triply even. Don't like that they're imported. The 420J2 is soft and IMO Buck shouldn't put their names on knives with steel like that. And they're hollow ground. I hope these imported slip joints are making the difference between Buck staying afloat and folding, because I would rather see Buck stay out of that market. I would much rather see Buck compete with Case by making US-made slip joints.
 
No wonder fat cat is fat. That couch potato is lying around eating candy all day. :D
haha....... wondering if ya'd catch that and ya did. kids valentines stash he doesnt like.
 
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Schrade Buck 301. One of my prized knives.
I need to learn more about the 301.

That 1966 Buck 301 is without question, a true collectable knife...
The knife on the left is a Buck, the knives in the centre are Camillus knives, and the Schrade knives are on the right... Ken.
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